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<blockquote data-quote="HardRightEdge" data-source="post: 610274"><p>While there's room for variation between game speed and track speed, to deny strong correlation goes counter to the evaluations of the 32 teams of experts in the league, or a review of the NFL WR stats year or after year.</p><p></p><p>I wouldn't quibble about 0.10 based on one or two runs on one particular day, but 4.7 is too slow for the NFL except once every 15 years. If anybody thinks it's a good idea to sign 50 or 100 of those guys for the 90 man roster over a 15 year period in the hopes of finding "the one", you're certainly entitled that opinion.</p><p></p><p>And if you see a 4.7 guy outrunning D1 DBs, you better go back and check the 40 times for those DBs.</p><p></p><p>These protestations strike me as a defensive justification for the Montgomery pick, which really isn't unnecessary.</p><p></p><p>Lets look at the 2015 draft. 35 WRs were drafted.</p><p></p><p>Of those 35, the following ran 4.55 or slower as a best Combine or Pro Day time.</p><p></p><p>- Vince Mayle, round 4, Cleveland: He discovered his "sprained" hand was actually broken at the Combine, and had to switch his set hand in running a 4.67 at the Combine. The hand was in a cast at his Pro Day so he did not run. He also happens to be 6'2", 224 lbs.</p><p></p><p>- Tony Lippett, round 5, Miami: 4.61 at the Combine, 4.57/4.59 at his Pro Day. He's skinny, but he's 6'2". Pre-draft he was also considered a DB prospect though I don't know Miami's plan.</p><p></p><p>- Justin Hardy, round 4, Atlanta: 4.56 Combine, 4.57 Pro Day.</p><p></p><p>- Neal Sterling, round 7, Jacksonville: Not a Combine invitee; ran 4.62/4.64 at his Pro Day. He also happens to be 6'4", 235 lbs., a WR/TE tweener.</p><p></p><p>That's it. Except for the guy with the broken hand, the only guy who ran 4.6 or worse was the tweener Sterling. The only guy among those four who's shorter than 6'2" was Hardy who's best time, to repeat, was 4.56, and he profiles as a slot guy.</p><p></p><p>Some additional notes:</p><p></p><p><s>Green-Beckham</s> Funchess ran 4.70 at the Combine, but he ran <em>4.50 at his Pro Day</em>. He also happens to be 6'5", 237 lbs.</p><p></p><p>Montgomery ran 4.55 at the Combine, then 4.50 and 4.51 at his Pro Day. That's certainly in the acceptable range for a slot/possession receiver. Do you think Thompson would have taken him in the 3rd. round if his best time was 4.6? I don't.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HardRightEdge, post: 610274"] While there's room for variation between game speed and track speed, to deny strong correlation goes counter to the evaluations of the 32 teams of experts in the league, or a review of the NFL WR stats year or after year. I wouldn't quibble about 0.10 based on one or two runs on one particular day, but 4.7 is too slow for the NFL except once every 15 years. If anybody thinks it's a good idea to sign 50 or 100 of those guys for the 90 man roster over a 15 year period in the hopes of finding "the one", you're certainly entitled that opinion. And if you see a 4.7 guy outrunning D1 DBs, you better go back and check the 40 times for those DBs. These protestations strike me as a defensive justification for the Montgomery pick, which really isn't unnecessary. Lets look at the 2015 draft. 35 WRs were drafted. Of those 35, the following ran 4.55 or slower as a best Combine or Pro Day time. - Vince Mayle, round 4, Cleveland: He discovered his "sprained" hand was actually broken at the Combine, and had to switch his set hand in running a 4.67 at the Combine. The hand was in a cast at his Pro Day so he did not run. He also happens to be 6'2", 224 lbs. - Tony Lippett, round 5, Miami: 4.61 at the Combine, 4.57/4.59 at his Pro Day. He's skinny, but he's 6'2". Pre-draft he was also considered a DB prospect though I don't know Miami's plan. - Justin Hardy, round 4, Atlanta: 4.56 Combine, 4.57 Pro Day. - Neal Sterling, round 7, Jacksonville: Not a Combine invitee; ran 4.62/4.64 at his Pro Day. He also happens to be 6'4", 235 lbs., a WR/TE tweener. That's it. Except for the guy with the broken hand, the only guy who ran 4.6 or worse was the tweener Sterling. The only guy among those four who's shorter than 6'2" was Hardy who's best time, to repeat, was 4.56, and he profiles as a slot guy. Some additional notes: [S]Green-Beckham[/S] Funchess ran 4.70 at the Combine, but he ran [I]4.50 at his Pro Day[/I]. He also happens to be 6'5", 237 lbs. Montgomery ran 4.55 at the Combine, then 4.50 and 4.51 at his Pro Day. That's certainly in the acceptable range for a slot/possession receiver. Do you think Thompson would have taken him in the 3rd. round if his best time was 4.6? I don't. [/QUOTE]
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