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<blockquote data-quote="Dantés" data-source="post: 989598" data-attributes="member: 12283"><p>Well for sure, I don't think this is about Rodgers changing plays at the LOS. That's an important part of the offense. He's very good at reading defenses pre-snap. There's nothing wrong with any of that.</p><p></p><p>What I'm talking about is influencing the design of the offense and gameplan leading up to the actual games. There were stretches of the season and individual games in which the hallmarks of LaFleur's system disappeared, and the old patterns and habits of Rodgers from 2015-19 re-appeared. It actually reminded me a lot of 2019, where you'd see LaFleur's offense in fits and starts, but you'd also see Rodgers' exerting his influence or leaning back into bad habits that don't work.</p><p></p><p>And to be clear, I don't think that Rodgers is malicious nor stupid. Like any team with an established, veteran QB, the offensive approach is a group effort that includes the QB's input. It just happens to be the case that Rodgers' input and inclinations are bad for the offense. But he's not making the offense worse on purpose! Which leads me to the question of whether Rodgers is just dumb. Clearly not! His football IQ is off the charts. But so is his confidence (or, if you like, arrogance). I don't think Russell Wilson is stupid either. But I do think that when you've been elite for a long time, it's easy to believe you can still do things that you can't do.</p><p></p><p>Rodgers burned through the league like wildfire using static 11 personnel, second reaction plays, scramble drills, and option routes. He held the ball, he used his athleticism, and he made amazing plays. But that was a long time ago. 2014 was the last time he was truly elite in that way. He's not that player any more and the league has changed too. Hence, once he hit about 32 years old, he went from being absolutely elite to somewhere just north of average. And he didn't regain elite status again until he leaned into LaFleur's offense in 2020. He needed the support structure of that system, which allowed him to take full advantage of the exceptional talent that he still possesses AND which was better designed to attack modern defenses.</p><p></p><p>My point is that in 2022, you saw him slide back into his old ways, which contributed significantly to the overall ineptitude of the offense. As an aside, I think we will see him backslide really hard if he goes to New York. Hackett will likely be a doormat, Rodgers will do whatever he wants, it will largely be ineffective. That's one reason why I'm crossing my fingers that the Packers can pull that deal off.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dantés, post: 989598, member: 12283"] Well for sure, I don't think this is about Rodgers changing plays at the LOS. That's an important part of the offense. He's very good at reading defenses pre-snap. There's nothing wrong with any of that. What I'm talking about is influencing the design of the offense and gameplan leading up to the actual games. There were stretches of the season and individual games in which the hallmarks of LaFleur's system disappeared, and the old patterns and habits of Rodgers from 2015-19 re-appeared. It actually reminded me a lot of 2019, where you'd see LaFleur's offense in fits and starts, but you'd also see Rodgers' exerting his influence or leaning back into bad habits that don't work. And to be clear, I don't think that Rodgers is malicious nor stupid. Like any team with an established, veteran QB, the offensive approach is a group effort that includes the QB's input. It just happens to be the case that Rodgers' input and inclinations are bad for the offense. But he's not making the offense worse on purpose! Which leads me to the question of whether Rodgers is just dumb. Clearly not! His football IQ is off the charts. But so is his confidence (or, if you like, arrogance). I don't think Russell Wilson is stupid either. But I do think that when you've been elite for a long time, it's easy to believe you can still do things that you can't do. Rodgers burned through the league like wildfire using static 11 personnel, second reaction plays, scramble drills, and option routes. He held the ball, he used his athleticism, and he made amazing plays. But that was a long time ago. 2014 was the last time he was truly elite in that way. He's not that player any more and the league has changed too. Hence, once he hit about 32 years old, he went from being absolutely elite to somewhere just north of average. And he didn't regain elite status again until he leaned into LaFleur's offense in 2020. He needed the support structure of that system, which allowed him to take full advantage of the exceptional talent that he still possesses AND which was better designed to attack modern defenses. My point is that in 2022, you saw him slide back into his old ways, which contributed significantly to the overall ineptitude of the offense. As an aside, I think we will see him backslide really hard if he goes to New York. Hackett will likely be a doormat, Rodgers will do whatever he wants, it will largely be ineffective. That's one reason why I'm crossing my fingers that the Packers can pull that deal off. [/QUOTE]
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