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How much improvement will the same D scheme for 2 years have
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<blockquote data-quote="PWT36" data-source="post: 155031" data-attributes="member: 170"><p>California Cheez Posted "</p><p>How did Jim Bates do so well with Carroll?? "</p><p></p><p>What is your definition of "So well". Did I miss something when I thought I saw was Carroll's lack luster performences as a Defensive back for Green Bay in '04 and then in "05 under Packer DC Jim Bates.</p><p> </p><p>Then more of the same In '06, only with then new Packer defensive Co-ordinator Bob Sanders(was was an assistant to Jim Bates in '05), was kept on staff by then new Packer head Coach Mike McCarthy. McCarthy promoted promoted Sanders to Packers' Defensive Co-ordinator after Jim Bates left. </p><p></p><p>Ahmad Carroll never seem to adjust to the new NFL rule on using his hands in guarding pass receivers. which changed in '04, Carroll's first year in NFL. </p><p></p><p>Carroll was continually was penalized for illegal use of his hands. He then made things worse "by crying to officiials" just about on every call, thus the officials watched him more closely and penalized for every offense. they saw. He would been much better to keep his mouth shut. </p><p>Carroll was given over two years to correct his his errors and just never did. He also had some serious lapses in pass coverages at times during his time here in Green Bay. </p><p></p><p>Carroll's behavior here in Green Bay in the locker room was very disrupted. He fought with a team mate in locker room and had problems on practice field with his team mates. Carroll just wasn't a good fit in Green Bay or anywhere in NFL.!!!</p><p></p><p>I will not go into Carroll's legal problems, there is too much of this going on in media all the time . with Bengals and Vick over at Atlanta and others . Enough is enough!!</p><p></p><p>The packers first round draft pick record since 1991 has been poor. DB Vinnie Clark in draft of '91. Db Terrell Buckley in '92, Db Antuan Edwards in draft of '99 and now" last but not least " Ahmad Carroll in 2004.</p><p></p><p>Packers did better in rounds lower than the first round. Best example is the great safety Leroy Butler taken in 2nd round of 1999 draft.</p><p></p><p>Also Db Doug Evans of the Super Bowl champs of 1996 taken in 6th round of 1993 draft. Also DB Tyrone Williams of the Super Bowl champs of 1996 drafted in the 3rd round of 1996 draft.</p><p></p><p>Also Safety Darren Sharper drafted in 2nd round of 1997 draft.</p><p></p><p>DB Keith Mckenzie picked in the 3rd round of 1999 draft.</p><p></p><p>There is no sure reecord of success many time .when a player is drafted in the first round of NFL draft many Heisman trophy especially QBa have failed in NFL when they were drafted in the first round of NFL draft.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>_________________</p><p></p><p></p><p>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PWT36, post: 155031, member: 170"] California Cheez Posted " How did Jim Bates do so well with Carroll?? " What is your definition of "So well". Did I miss something when I thought I saw was Carroll's lack luster performences as a Defensive back for Green Bay in '04 and then in "05 under Packer DC Jim Bates. Then more of the same In '06, only with then new Packer defensive Co-ordinator Bob Sanders(was was an assistant to Jim Bates in '05), was kept on staff by then new Packer head Coach Mike McCarthy. McCarthy promoted promoted Sanders to Packers' Defensive Co-ordinator after Jim Bates left. Ahmad Carroll never seem to adjust to the new NFL rule on using his hands in guarding pass receivers. which changed in '04, Carroll's first year in NFL. Carroll was continually was penalized for illegal use of his hands. He then made things worse "by crying to officiials" just about on every call, thus the officials watched him more closely and penalized for every offense. they saw. He would been much better to keep his mouth shut. Carroll was given over two years to correct his his errors and just never did. He also had some serious lapses in pass coverages at times during his time here in Green Bay. Carroll's behavior here in Green Bay in the locker room was very disrupted. He fought with a team mate in locker room and had problems on practice field with his team mates. Carroll just wasn't a good fit in Green Bay or anywhere in NFL.!!! I will not go into Carroll's legal problems, there is too much of this going on in media all the time . with Bengals and Vick over at Atlanta and others . Enough is enough!! The packers first round draft pick record since 1991 has been poor. DB Vinnie Clark in draft of '91. Db Terrell Buckley in '92, Db Antuan Edwards in draft of '99 and now" last but not least " Ahmad Carroll in 2004. Packers did better in rounds lower than the first round. Best example is the great safety Leroy Butler taken in 2nd round of 1999 draft. Also Db Doug Evans of the Super Bowl champs of 1996 taken in 6th round of 1993 draft. Also DB Tyrone Williams of the Super Bowl champs of 1996 drafted in the 3rd round of 1996 draft. Also Safety Darren Sharper drafted in 2nd round of 1997 draft. DB Keith Mckenzie picked in the 3rd round of 1999 draft. There is no sure reecord of success many time .when a player is drafted in the first round of NFL draft many Heisman trophy especially QBa have failed in NFL when they were drafted in the first round of NFL draft. . _________________ . [/QUOTE]
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