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<blockquote data-quote="Pokerbrat2000" data-source="post: 1031593" data-attributes="member: 7261"><p>Yet, Hawk had a better career than Martinez, so at the end of the day, who would you rather have on your team?</p><p></p><p>I can't remember what I thought of Hawk back in 2006, but he is much like a lot of players drafted from successful programs like Ohio State. Lots of good players around them and possibly that boosts their draft position more than it should. Maybe if Hawk had better players around him in Green Bay, he's a perennial Pro Bowler? At the end of the day (career), Hawk started for 9 seasons and left with a Super Bowl ring. Guessing he considers himself has having a pretty successful career, despite his draft position.</p><p></p><p>Dallas drafted Hawks teammate and LB at OSU, Bobby Carpenter, at #18 in that same draft. Carpenter was never that good in the NFL and I would call a bust, despite being in the NFL for 7 season with 5 different teams.</p><p></p><p>Here is Round 1 in 2006. Some turned out good, some were "busts". I think the Packers fared much better than a lot of teams.</p><p></p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><td><strong>1</strong></td><td><strong>Houston Texans</strong></td><td><strong>Mario Williams</strong> DE, North Carolina State</td></tr><tr><td><strong>2</strong></td><td><strong>New Orleans Saints</strong></td><td><strong>Reggie Bush</strong> rb, Southern California</td></tr><tr><td><strong>3</strong></td><td><strong>Tennessee Titans</strong></td><td><strong>Vince Young</strong> qb, texas</td></tr><tr><td><strong>4</strong></td><td><strong>New York Jets</strong></td><td><strong>D'Brickashaw Ferguson</strong> t, Virginia</td></tr><tr><td><strong>5</strong></td><td><strong>Green Bay packers</strong></td><td><strong>A.J. Hawk</strong> oLB, Ohio State</td></tr><tr><td><strong>6</strong></td><td><strong>San Francisco 49ers</strong></td><td><strong>Vernon Davis</strong> Te, Maryland</td></tr><tr><td><strong>7</strong></td><td><strong>Oakland Raiders</strong></td><td><strong>Michael Huff</strong> ss, Texas</td></tr><tr><td><strong>8</strong></td><td><strong>Buffalo Bills</strong></td><td><strong>Donte Whitner</strong> ss, Ohio State</td></tr><tr><td><strong>9</strong></td><td><strong>Detroit Lions</strong></td><td><strong>Ernie Sims</strong> olb, Florida State</td></tr><tr><td><strong>10</strong></td><td><strong>Arizona Cardinals</strong></td><td><strong>Matt Leinart</strong> qb, Southern California</td></tr><tr><td><strong>11</strong></td><td><strong>Denver Broncos1</strong></td><td><strong>Jay Cutler</strong> qb, Vanderbilt</td></tr><tr><td><strong>12</strong></td><td><strong>Baltimore Ravens2</strong></td><td><strong>Haloti Ngata</strong> dt, Oregon</td></tr><tr><td><strong>13</strong></td><td><strong>Cleveland Browns3</strong></td><td><strong>Kamerion Wimbley</strong> olb, Florida State</td></tr><tr><td><strong>14</strong></td><td><strong>Philadelphia Eagles</strong></td><td><strong>Broderick Bunkley</strong> dt, Florida State</td></tr><tr><td><strong>15</strong></td><td><strong>St. Louis Rams4</strong></td><td><strong>Tye Hill</strong> cb, Clemson</td></tr><tr><td><strong>16</strong></td><td><strong>Miami Dolphins</strong></td><td><strong>Jason Allen</strong> fs, Tennessee</td></tr><tr><td><strong>17</strong></td><td><strong>Minnesota Vikings</strong></td><td><strong>Chad Greenway</strong> lb, Iowa</td></tr><tr><td><strong>18</strong></td><td><strong>Dallas Cowboys</strong></td><td><strong>Bobby Carpenter</strong> ilb, Ohio State</td></tr><tr><td><strong>19</strong></td><td><strong>San Diego Chargers</strong></td><td><strong>Antonio Cromartie</strong> cb, Florida State</td></tr><tr><td><strong>20</strong></td><td><strong>Kansas City Chiefs</strong></td><td><strong>Tamba Hali</strong> de, Penn State</td></tr><tr><td><strong>21</strong></td><td><strong>New England Patriots</strong></td><td><strong>Laurence Maroney</strong> rb, Minnesota</td></tr><tr><td><strong>22</strong></td><td><strong>San Francisco 49ers</strong></td><td><strong>Manny Lawson</strong> olb, North Carolina State</td></tr><tr><td><strong>23</strong></td><td><strong>Tampa Bay Buccaneers</strong></td><td><strong>Davin Joseph</strong> g, Oklahoma</td></tr><tr><td><strong>24</strong></td><td><strong>Cincinnati Bengals</strong></td><td><strong>Johnathan Joseph</strong> cb, South Carolina</td></tr><tr><td><strong>25</strong></td><td><strong>Pittsburgh Steelers5</strong></td><td><strong>Santonio Holmes</strong> wr, Ohio State</td></tr><tr><td><strong>26</strong></td><td><strong>Buffalo Bills</strong></td><td><strong>John McCargo</strong> dt, North Carolina State</td></tr><tr><td><strong>27</strong></td><td><strong>Carolina Panthers</strong></td><td><strong>DeAngelo Williams</strong> rb, Memphis</td></tr><tr><td><strong>28</strong></td><td><strong>Jacksonville Jaguars</strong></td><td><strong>Marcedes Lewis</strong> te, UCLA</td></tr><tr><td><strong>29</strong></td><td><strong>New York Jets</strong></td><td><strong>Nick Mangold</strong> c, Ohio State</td></tr><tr><td><strong>30</strong></td><td><strong>Indianapolis Colts</strong></td><td><strong>Joseph Addai</strong> rb, Louisiana State</td></tr><tr><td><strong>31</strong></td><td><strong>Seattle Seahawks</strong></td><td><strong>Kelly Jennings</strong> cb, Miami</td></tr><tr><td><strong>32</strong></td><td><strong>New York Giants6</strong></td><td><strong>Mathias Kiwanuka</strong> de, Boston College</td></tr></table></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pokerbrat2000, post: 1031593, member: 7261"] Yet, Hawk had a better career than Martinez, so at the end of the day, who would you rather have on your team? I can't remember what I thought of Hawk back in 2006, but he is much like a lot of players drafted from successful programs like Ohio State. Lots of good players around them and possibly that boosts their draft position more than it should. Maybe if Hawk had better players around him in Green Bay, he's a perennial Pro Bowler? At the end of the day (career), Hawk started for 9 seasons and left with a Super Bowl ring. Guessing he considers himself has having a pretty successful career, despite his draft position. Dallas drafted Hawks teammate and LB at OSU, Bobby Carpenter, at #18 in that same draft. Carpenter was never that good in the NFL and I would call a bust, despite being in the NFL for 7 season with 5 different teams. Here is Round 1 in 2006. Some turned out good, some were "busts". I think the Packers fared much better than a lot of teams. [TABLE] [TR] [TD][B]1[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Houston Texans[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Mario Williams[/B] DE, North Carolina State[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]2[/B][/TD] [TD][B]New Orleans Saints[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Reggie Bush[/B] rb, Southern California[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]3[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Tennessee Titans[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Vince Young[/B] qb, texas[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]4[/B][/TD] [TD][B]New York Jets[/B][/TD] [TD][B]D'Brickashaw Ferguson[/B] t, Virginia[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]5[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Green Bay packers[/B][/TD] [TD][B]A.J. Hawk[/B] oLB, Ohio State[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]6[/B][/TD] [TD][B]San Francisco 49ers[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Vernon Davis[/B] Te, Maryland[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]7[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Oakland Raiders[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Michael Huff[/B] ss, Texas[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]8[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Buffalo Bills[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Donte Whitner[/B] ss, Ohio State[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]9[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Detroit Lions[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Ernie Sims[/B] olb, Florida State[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]10[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Arizona Cardinals[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Matt Leinart[/B] qb, Southern California[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]11[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Denver Broncos1[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Jay Cutler[/B] qb, Vanderbilt[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]12[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Baltimore Ravens2[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Haloti Ngata[/B] dt, Oregon[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]13[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Cleveland Browns3[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Kamerion Wimbley[/B] olb, Florida State[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]14[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Philadelphia Eagles[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Broderick Bunkley[/B] dt, Florida State[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]15[/B][/TD] [TD][B]St. Louis Rams4[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Tye Hill[/B] cb, Clemson[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]16[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Miami Dolphins[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Jason Allen[/B] fs, Tennessee[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]17[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Minnesota Vikings[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Chad Greenway[/B] lb, Iowa[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]18[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Dallas Cowboys[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Bobby Carpenter[/B] ilb, Ohio State[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]19[/B][/TD] [TD][B]San Diego Chargers[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Antonio Cromartie[/B] cb, Florida State[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]20[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Kansas City Chiefs[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Tamba Hali[/B] de, Penn State[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]21[/B][/TD] [TD][B]New England Patriots[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Laurence Maroney[/B] rb, Minnesota[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]22[/B][/TD] [TD][B]San Francisco 49ers[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Manny Lawson[/B] olb, North Carolina State[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]23[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Tampa Bay Buccaneers[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Davin Joseph[/B] g, Oklahoma[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]24[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Cincinnati Bengals[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Johnathan Joseph[/B] cb, South Carolina[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]25[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Pittsburgh Steelers5[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Santonio Holmes[/B] wr, Ohio State[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]26[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Buffalo Bills[/B][/TD] [TD][B]John McCargo[/B] dt, North Carolina State[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]27[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Carolina Panthers[/B][/TD] [TD][B]DeAngelo Williams[/B] rb, Memphis[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]28[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Jacksonville Jaguars[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Marcedes Lewis[/B] te, UCLA[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]29[/B][/TD] [TD][B]New York Jets[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Nick Mangold[/B] c, Ohio State[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]30[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Indianapolis Colts[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Joseph Addai[/B] rb, Louisiana State[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]31[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Seattle Seahawks[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Kelly Jennings[/B] cb, Miami[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]32[/B][/TD] [TD][B]New York Giants6[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Mathias Kiwanuka[/B] de, Boston College[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/QUOTE]
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