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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Joe Nor Cal Packer" data-source="post: 617943" data-attributes="member: 9805">As for AJ Hawk, wow he was NOT a championship caliber player, ring or not. Trent Dilfer has a ring. It surprises me there can be this much contention over a player like AJ.I get in trouble when I say Peyton Manning is not championship caliber. That's very subjective and people could have good reasons to disagree. That's why we have forums. I'm not above having someone point something out that could change my mind. But I don't want to argue, although I plead guilty to stooping to this level. No more. If it's not an honest exchange of opinions I'll just ignore it.So with all that is it mean-spirited for me to call Peyton a choker?  I don't think so.</blockquote>

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