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<blockquote data-quote="TJV" data-source="post: 375558" data-attributes="member: 4300"><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I look forward to the time when Favre’s name isn’t mentioned or written for months, even years at a time but I don’t think this post should go unchallenged. PackwillBEback obviously can hold any opinion he wants, so in no way am I challenging his “right” to post his opinion: I’m just responding with mine. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">He’s right, Favre never demanded a trade and never left in free agency, but he did more than just wanting to “play football”. Interesting PackwillBEback writes he went about it in a <em>horrible way</em> but then writes, “But, nothing <em>horrible</em>”. (I added the emphasis) I think he was right the first time. I also challenge the notion that Favre ‘won us a Super Bowl’. The 1996 Packers’ defense was phenomenal – it gave up fewer TDs in the regular season than the vaunted 1985 Bears defense did. That defense and Desmond Howard and the special teams were every bit as important as the Favre-led offense. Ron Wolf, Mike Holmgren and the fantastic staff he put together had a hand in it, too. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">As to the notion that “one off season never outweighs 15 years. EVER.”, I couldn’t disagree more. First, it is factually inaccurate because – IMO - Favre “conspired” against the Packers for more than one off season. But that’s a minor point. The more important reason I disagree with that broad generalization is because it depends entirely on what the player did during that off season, doesn’t it? OJ Simpson provides the obvious and extreme example, doesn’t he? Should Bill’s fans revere OJ because one “off-season” never outweighs 9 years? Like I said, it’s an extreme example and is offered just as an analogy. Of course his murdering two people wasn’t football related, but I think it makes the point that it’s the nature of Favre's contributions to the Packers <em>as well as</em> what Favre did from June/July 2008 on, not the number of years Favre spent in Green Bay that matter. IOW, your statement seems to be saying no matter what Favre did, it could never outweigh his contributions to the Packers. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">It would be one thing if the worst thing Favre ever did was believing the myth too many Packers built around him. But in the opinion of many Packers fans he did more than that: He betrayed the franchise that gave him a chance to escape the obscurity of Jerry Glanville’s dog house. He publically attacked Thompson on national TV with Greta. He shared the Packers’ playbook with the Lions in an attempt to help them beat the Packers. He lied to the Jets about retiring so he could join the Vikings and “stick it to Ted”. BTW, if all he wanted to do was play, why didn’t he stay with the Jets? (I am surprised those who defend Favre continue to bring this up.) He encouraged the Bears to beat the Packers. After spending all those years in Green Bay do you think he didn’t realize what that would mean to Packers fans? He did more than just trying to “stick it to Ted”, he attempted to stick it to the Packers and, like it or not, to Packers fans. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In another thread, Ivo610 has a link to a <a href="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/43727-ted-thompson-is-the-worst-gm-in-nfl-history" target="_blank">bleacherreport.com</a> story entitled, “Ted Thompson is the Worst GM in NFL History”. </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Read that and look at how foolish the author, Andrew Kaake, looks today. Thompson is the ‘astounding incompetent’, Favre the indispensible player, and Rodgers is Grossman-like. At the time Kaake wrote that in August of 2008, Favre had already melted down in numerous playoff games. He had already looked like he wanted to be anywhere except the bitter cold of Chicago and the NFC Championship game in his last season with the Packers. And Rodgers had already come off the bench cold and outplayed him in Dallas that season. Rewind the clock and assume Thompson had stuck with Favre and Rodgers had left after his rookie contract expired. Who would look the fool? The only thing Kaake got right was the importance of Thompson’s decision. He and McCarthy showed incredible courage going against Packers fans who idolized Favre. Thank goodness they did!</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I’ll leave it for <a href="http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_3115_Another_chapter_in_the_BrettFavre_legacy.html" target="_blank">Cold Hard Football Facts</a> to detail his epic meltdowns. </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Suffice it to say there were ample football reasons to move beyond Favre that were obvious to many of us in 2008. And at the time of Kaake's article, Thompson and McCarthy had already had three+ seasons to work with and evaluate Rodgers. </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TJV, post: 375558, member: 4300"] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana]I look forward to the time when Favre’s name isn’t mentioned or written for months, even years at a time but I don’t think this post should go unchallenged. PackwillBEback obviously can hold any opinion he wants, so in no way am I challenging his “right” to post his opinion: I’m just responding with mine. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]He’s right, Favre never demanded a trade and never left in free agency, but he did more than just wanting to “play football”. Interesting PackwillBEback writes he went about it in a [I]horrible way[/I] but then writes, “But, nothing [I]horrible[/I]”. (I added the emphasis) I think he was right the first time. I also challenge the notion that Favre ‘won us a Super Bowl’. The 1996 Packers’ defense was phenomenal – it gave up fewer TDs in the regular season than the vaunted 1985 Bears defense did. That defense and Desmond Howard and the special teams were every bit as important as the Favre-led offense. Ron Wolf, Mike Holmgren and the fantastic staff he put together had a hand in it, too. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]As to the notion that “one off season never outweighs 15 years. EVER.”, I couldn’t disagree more. First, it is factually inaccurate because – IMO - Favre “conspired” against the Packers for more than one off season. But that’s a minor point. The more important reason I disagree with that broad generalization is because it depends entirely on what the player did during that off season, doesn’t it? OJ Simpson provides the obvious and extreme example, doesn’t he? Should Bill’s fans revere OJ because one “off-season” never outweighs 9 years? Like I said, it’s an extreme example and is offered just as an analogy. Of course his murdering two people wasn’t football related, but I think it makes the point that it’s the nature of Favre's contributions to the Packers [I]as well as[/I] what Favre did from June/July 2008 on, not the number of years Favre spent in Green Bay that matter. IOW, your statement seems to be saying no matter what Favre did, it could never outweigh his contributions to the Packers. [/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]It would be one thing if the worst thing Favre ever did was believing the myth too many Packers built around him. But in the opinion of many Packers fans he did more than that: He betrayed the franchise that gave him a chance to escape the obscurity of Jerry Glanville’s dog house. He publically attacked Thompson on national TV with Greta. He shared the Packers’ playbook with the Lions in an attempt to help them beat the Packers. He lied to the Jets about retiring so he could join the Vikings and “stick it to Ted”. BTW, if all he wanted to do was play, why didn’t he stay with the Jets? (I am surprised those who defend Favre continue to bring this up.) He encouraged the Bears to beat the Packers. After spending all those years in Green Bay do you think he didn’t realize what that would mean to Packers fans? He did more than just trying to “stick it to Ted”, he attempted to stick it to the Packers and, like it or not, to Packers fans. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]In another thread, Ivo610 has a link to a [URL="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/43727-ted-thompson-is-the-worst-gm-in-nfl-history"]bleacherreport.com[/URL] story entitled, “Ted Thompson is the Worst GM in NFL History”. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Read that and look at how foolish the author, Andrew Kaake, looks today. Thompson is the ‘astounding incompetent’, Favre the indispensible player, and Rodgers is Grossman-like. At the time Kaake wrote that in August of 2008, Favre had already melted down in numerous playoff games. He had already looked like he wanted to be anywhere except the bitter cold of Chicago and the NFC Championship game in his last season with the Packers. And Rodgers had already come off the bench cold and outplayed him in Dallas that season. Rewind the clock and assume Thompson had stuck with Favre and Rodgers had left after his rookie contract expired. Who would look the fool? The only thing Kaake got right was the importance of Thompson’s decision. He and McCarthy showed incredible courage going against Packers fans who idolized Favre. Thank goodness they did![/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I’ll leave it for [URL="http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_3115_Another_chapter_in_the_BrettFavre_legacy.html"]Cold Hard Football Facts[/URL] to detail his epic meltdowns. [/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Verdana]Suffice it to say there were ample football reasons to move beyond Favre that were obvious to many of us in 2008. And at the time of Kaake's article, Thompson and McCarthy had already had three+ seasons to work with and evaluate Rodgers. [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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