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<blockquote data-quote="Magooch" data-source="post: 1077431" data-attributes="member: 17987"><p>This is just a really tough team for me to get an accurate read on honestly. </p><p></p><p>Because at the end of the day I think there is enough "evidence" to go both ways. </p><p></p><p>The more optimistic among us will be able to point at all the positives and our W/L record and say that the couple of losses aren't really representative of who this team is or what it can do.</p><p></p><p>But at the same time the more pessimistic ones can point at all the negatives and bad performances and basically say that our W/L record is misleading and also not really representative of who this team is or what it can do/be. </p><p></p><p>And I think they both have a decent case honestly. We are probably not as bad as our "lows" have been, but at the same time we are probably not currently as good as the "highs" we have previously shown, either.</p><p></p><p>Someone in the game thread said it well in quoting that "This is not a great team, it is a good team that COULD become great" and I agree with that. I said it yesterday too, when we are at our best we can hang with or beat anyone. But when we are playing "down," every team in the league could put up a tough fight or even beat us. Maybe that speaks to the overall parity in the league but I honestly believe we could go out and (hypothetically) beat a team like Philly or Buffalo or whoever and lose to the Saints or Jets the next. </p><p></p><p>BUT, all that to say, at risk of sounding like a broken record, the thing that I find most disheartening is that in spite of the highs and lows, many of my core complaints/criticisms have remained largely the same for literal YEARS now, with no real sign of changing. But it bears repeating, IMO:</p><p></p><p>- We tend to be "front-runners" who don't deal well with adversity. You may have heard it said by Mike Tyson, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" - we are a team who has a tendency to crumble when "punched in the mouth". </p><p>- Similarly, I think most opponents view us as a "soft" team and know if they can impose themselves physically we will probably be unable to respond</p><p>- We stress preparation, execution, and discipline all the time, yet consistently appear to be unprepared, unable to adjust in time, sloppy in execution, and playing undisciplined, mentally weak football (penalties, poor execution, bad game-sense, etc)</p><p>- We seem to make the same mistakes in game/time management week-in, week-out, year after year, again with no signs of changing</p><p>- We "play down" to our opponent, or at bare minimum often are caught feeling like we are "looking ahead" to what appears to be a tougher matchup (Cowboys after Browns, Eagles after Panthers, etc)</p><p></p><p>I don't want it to turn into just a time to dogpile on LaFleur, but at the same time sometimes I think we tend to talk about him like he's still a new coach in this league or just in his first couple of years as a head coach. But that isn't the case. He's in year SEVEN and as above these same issues have popped up year after year after year. I've said before that in coaching you are either coaching/teaching/encouraging the things your team does OR you are permitting it to happen. I really do like a lot of things that Matt does. I think he's a high-character guy, his players respect him, and I actually do think that from a scheme/X's and O's perspective he is great at the "conceptual" aspect of the game, scheming guys open. But in terms of actually responding to what is playing out on the field in front of his face, it feels like it's far too often a game of "catch up". And at this point with how long and how consistently these issues have existed I am left feeling like he is either unwilling or unable to address them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Magooch, post: 1077431, member: 17987"] This is just a really tough team for me to get an accurate read on honestly. Because at the end of the day I think there is enough "evidence" to go both ways. The more optimistic among us will be able to point at all the positives and our W/L record and say that the couple of losses aren't really representative of who this team is or what it can do. But at the same time the more pessimistic ones can point at all the negatives and bad performances and basically say that our W/L record is misleading and also not really representative of who this team is or what it can do/be. And I think they both have a decent case honestly. We are probably not as bad as our "lows" have been, but at the same time we are probably not currently as good as the "highs" we have previously shown, either. Someone in the game thread said it well in quoting that "This is not a great team, it is a good team that COULD become great" and I agree with that. I said it yesterday too, when we are at our best we can hang with or beat anyone. But when we are playing "down," every team in the league could put up a tough fight or even beat us. Maybe that speaks to the overall parity in the league but I honestly believe we could go out and (hypothetically) beat a team like Philly or Buffalo or whoever and lose to the Saints or Jets the next. BUT, all that to say, at risk of sounding like a broken record, the thing that I find most disheartening is that in spite of the highs and lows, many of my core complaints/criticisms have remained largely the same for literal YEARS now, with no real sign of changing. But it bears repeating, IMO: - We tend to be "front-runners" who don't deal well with adversity. You may have heard it said by Mike Tyson, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" - we are a team who has a tendency to crumble when "punched in the mouth". - Similarly, I think most opponents view us as a "soft" team and know if they can impose themselves physically we will probably be unable to respond - We stress preparation, execution, and discipline all the time, yet consistently appear to be unprepared, unable to adjust in time, sloppy in execution, and playing undisciplined, mentally weak football (penalties, poor execution, bad game-sense, etc) - We seem to make the same mistakes in game/time management week-in, week-out, year after year, again with no signs of changing - We "play down" to our opponent, or at bare minimum often are caught feeling like we are "looking ahead" to what appears to be a tougher matchup (Cowboys after Browns, Eagles after Panthers, etc) I don't want it to turn into just a time to dogpile on LaFleur, but at the same time sometimes I think we tend to talk about him like he's still a new coach in this league or just in his first couple of years as a head coach. But that isn't the case. He's in year SEVEN and as above these same issues have popped up year after year after year. I've said before that in coaching you are either coaching/teaching/encouraging the things your team does OR you are permitting it to happen. I really do like a lot of things that Matt does. I think he's a high-character guy, his players respect him, and I actually do think that from a scheme/X's and O's perspective he is great at the "conceptual" aspect of the game, scheming guys open. But in terms of actually responding to what is playing out on the field in front of his face, it feels like it's far too often a game of "catch up". And at this point with how long and how consistently these issues have existed I am left feeling like he is either unwilling or unable to address them. [/QUOTE]
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