2026 Cap Projections and changes

[Heyjoe4]

If memory serves Stokes was gone before the Parsons trade. I may be wrong. This I am confident in} GB was never ever going to pay Stokes the numbers you listed. I also would have made the Parsons trade 10 out of 10 times even with the draft capital it cost. Hey add in the money saved not having to pay a 1st rounder this year.

Stokes was gone before Parsons arrived, by two years I think.

And yes indeed, the trade for Parsons was a bit of magic by Gluten. To get an Edge guy that dominant at that age for two late round 1 picks and a very good iDL in Clark - well it was just a terrific deal. What surprises me is that Jerruh didn't seem to shop Parsons. I'm sure he could have gotten much more.

It may have been timing (1 week before the season started), and the long-simmering public feud between Jerruh and Parsons. Seems like Jerruh just wanted to get rid of him. I don't think they ever actually talked, or maybe it happened once without Parsons' agent present. Anyway, these trades rarely work well for the acquiring team. Not this deal.

And Jerruh didn't even talk with Parsons after the trade. That's classless on Jerruh's part.

 

[gopkrs]

That's amazing. Other than Starr, I think the only other two I remember are Hornung (#5) and Jim Taylor (#31), and I wouldn't bet I'm right.

I thought Boyd Dowler wore #85, but that's a real reach. Maybe it was McGee, or neither of them…...

86

 

[Heyjoe4]

Stokes was gone but once Micah traded that conversation if adding CB room help was out of the question. The conversation or debate about trade values in relation to Cap or dead Cap doesn’t end in 2025. It’s an ongoing debate. You’ll often take your
biggest licks early into a trade, but that pain is felt across several drafts and several years cap.

But thank you on the 1st Rounder Cap Saved. I did that earlier in this thread so I didn’t want to appear redundant. It ends up being over $20.5Mil across 5 years X TW0. Rookie contract on a Day 1 selection is a backwards savings because there’s a player potential loss. Yet it’s true it’s 100% factual accounting for over $40Mil saved through the 2030 season. Not chump change. I rounded down because it’s not perfect math because we only have the draft placing in our 2026 draft (#20 overall). The eventual void of not paying a pair of Day 1 draft picks alone swallows up the dead $$ from Clark sunk (minus time value of it being Spread gradual etc)

Interesting catch. I never thought of the "opportunity cost" associated with not having to pay two first-round picks. That certainly helps the cap situation.

I don't track the cap well because I just don't understand all the ways it can be manipulated. That said, it seems like Gluten will go into the next offseason armed with 1) 10-12 draft picks, and 2) a fair amount of cap to use on a solid FA(s) at a position of weakness.

 

[Heyjoe4]

The one former CB we could have used was Rasul Douglas. Let him escape like we did with Casey Hayward farther back.

Rasul Douglas, Micah Hyde, Casey Hayward. GB never should have let these guys get away.

 

[Heyjoe4]

86

Thanks gopkrs. I was close!

 

[milani]

I do remember Jordan's heart attack. Truly a shame. A great player and a great man. RIP.

Lombardi wanted so much for his players to succeed off the field as well as on it. Most of them did.

 

[milani]

That's amazing. Other than Starr, I think the only other two I remember are Hornung (#5) and Jim Taylor (#31), and I wouldn't bet I'm right.

I thought Boyd Dowler wore #85, but that's a real reach. Maybe it was McGee, or neither of them…...

Dowler wore 86. McGee wore 85.

 

[milani]

That's amazing. Other than Starr, I think the only other two I remember are Hornung (#5) and Jim Taylor (#31), and I wouldn't bet I'm right.

I thought Boyd Dowler wore #85, but that's a real reach. Maybe it was McGee, or neither of them…...

Gregg was 75, Skoronski 76, Kramer 64, Thurston 63, Fleming 81. Pitts was 22. Wood 24, Adderley 26, Nitschke 66, Robinson 87. Jeter 21.

 

[tynimiller]

Rasul Douglas, Micah Hyde, Casey Hayward. GB never should have let these guys get away.

Rasul is the one that really stands out to me because we really didn't have a contingency plan once he left...and it was a true formal decision to move him.

Hayward and Hyde were not traded but just not resigned. Hyde we had a roster elsewhere with bigger holes and I understood but hated letting him walk and Hayward was similar but arguably to a lessor degree.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Gregg was 75, Skoronski 76, Kramer 64, Thurston 63, Fleming 81. Pitts was 22. Wood 24, Adderley 26, Nitschke 66, Robinson 87. Jeter 21.

I was, and am, a big Herb Adderly fan. He came to the Pack as a running back, but the Packers were loaded at running back at the time and Lombardi asked him to move to cornerback. He became a five-time pro-bowler at the position.

I wore #26 in high school, and then, by sheer luck, when I joined the Navy and got to my first ship, my rack number was also 26.

In my mind, Adderly was not only one of the all-time greatest Green Bay Packers but also was one the best corners the NFL ever had.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Dowler wore 86. McGee wore 85.

Thanks milani. I was right - well, kind of…….

 

[Heyjoe4]

Rasul is the one that really stands out to me because we really didn't have a contingency plan once he left...and it was a true formal decision to move him.

Hayward and Hyde were not traded but just not resigned. Hyde we had a roster elsewhere with bigger holes and I understood but hated letting him walk and Hayward was similar but arguably to a lessor degree.

Thanks for the history on these guys.

If I remember correctly, GB was playing Hyde at CB and he switched to S in Buffalo and excelled. Hayward went to the Chargers and was a consistent starter at CB.

All three were, in hindsight, bad decisions. It's noticeable because all of them were CBs in GB. I didn't realize there was no backup plan after losing Douglas. No excuse for that

 

[milani]

Thanks for the history on these guys.

If I remember correctly, GB was playing Hyde at CB and he switched to S in Buffalo and excelled. Hayward went to the Chargers and was a consistent starter at CB.

All three were, in hindsight, bad decisions. It's noticeable because all of them were CBs in GB. I didn't realize there was no backup plan after losing Douglas. No excuse for that

And Hyde could also return punts. Some bad decisions in light of the fact that we needed defense so badly in all those years.

 

[OldSchool101]

If I remember correctly, GB was playing Hyde at CB and he switched to S in Buffalo and excelled. Hayward went to the Chargers and was a consistent starter at CB

Exactly. Notice it was Bobby Babich, our new Defensive passing game coordinator that Hyde ran into first. Hyde and Jordan Poyer both became All Pro Safeties under his tutelage. Tre’davious White as a Rookie led the league in Pass Deflections under Babich. In 2021 Bobby’s group led the league in 6 separate Defensive categories. They were the #1 Defense in the NFL.
When Babich flipped to LB’s in 2022 (after Babich Sr. departure) , the success didn’t stop. He elevated 5th Rounder, Matt Milano right into a 1st Team All-Pro designation.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Stokes was gone but once Micah traded that conversation if adding CB room help was out of the question. The conversation or debate about trade values in relation to Cap or dead Cap doesn’t end in 2025. It’s an ongoing debate. You’ll often take your
biggest licks early into a trade, but that pain is felt across several drafts and several years cap.

But thank you on the 1st Rounder Cap Saved. I did that earlier in this thread so I didn’t want to appear redundant. It ends up being over $20.5Mil across 5 years X TW0. Rookie contract on a Day 1 selection is a backwards savings because there’s a player potential loss. Yet it’s true it’s 100% factual accounting for over $40Mil saved through the 2030 season. Not chump change. I rounded down because it’s not perfect math because we only have the draft placing in our 2026 draft (#20 overall). The eventual void of not paying a pair of Day 1 draft picks alone swallows up the dead $$ from Clark sunk (minus time value of it being Spread gradual etc)

It should be factored into the price for parsons, that it was 2026 and 2027 1st round picks. Picks for future years are valued less than immediate picks. Usually

 

[Heyjoe4]

It should be factored into the price for parsons, that it was 2026 and 2027 1st round picks. Picks for future years are valued less than immediate picks. Usually

Correct. And I have no issue with the trade Gluten worked out for Parsons. If Jerruh hadn't been in such a rush to get rid of him, Parsons may have cost a lot more.

 

[OldSchool101]

It should be factored into the price for parsons, that it was 2026 and 2027 1st round picks. Picks for future years are valued less than immediate picks. Usually

That’s also a great point. Arguably a Round. Although imo a little less if it’s day 1. Call it backing up 2/3 round out 20 spots. A top 20 overall next year is more like a top 35-40 overall today.

The ones that hurt are when you struggle and end up with a top 10 draft selection and you gave it to your opponent.

 

[Heyjoe4]

That’s also a great point. Arguably a Round. Although imo a little less if it’s day 1. Call it backing up 2/3 round out 20 spots. A top 20 overall next year is more like a top 35-40 overall today.

The ones that hurt are when you struggle and end up with a top 10 draft selection and you gave it to your opponent.

The risk that the team trading away a 1st round pick performs badly, making that pick much more valuable, seems unlikley - but yes it could happen. Just my opinion, but teams should not knowingly trade away a top 10-15 pick. Well unless the team is the Bears just dying to get Mitch Trubisky, or the Niners just dying to get Trey Lance. Just risky trading such high-value picks.

I think this happened to the Rams in the trade with Detroit for Stafford. The Rams won a SB once they had Stafford. For some reason(s) I don't recall, the Rams tanked after the SB win and the picks they traded to get Stafford became very valuable.

I'm working off memory here, so please let me know what I got wrong. Detroit ended up with at least 2 first round picks that were top 10 to top 20. I'm pretty sure that's when they selected RB Gibbs at #12, and they may have used a pick for La Porta as well.

The point is that LA's picks traded for Stafford became way more valuable than most people thought. Detroit capitalized and used the picks wisely.

But don't shed any tears for LA. Stafford led them to a SB win after all. Whatever the price, it's worth it if a team gets a Lombardi from a deal. All that said, Goff found his mojo in Detroit and played his best football with the Lions.

 

[mradtke66]

If I remember correctly, GB was playing Hyde at CB and he switched to S in Buffalo and excelled. Hayward went to the Chargers and was a consistent starter at CB.

All three were, in hindsight, bad decisions. It's noticeable because all of them were CBs in GB. I didn't realize there was no backup plan after losing Douglas. No excuse for that

It's only obviously bad in hindsight.

We moved on from Rasul because it looked like we were going to crash and a rebuild was likely. We let a vet move on to greener pastures. Oops.

Hyde was a nickel/safety tweener for us. We had Dix and Burnett at safety and some up and coming (at the time) rookies ascending at CB. He actually was completing with Hayward for nickel back snaps.

Hayward's time with us reads more or less the same. He was up and down with injuries, was competing for nickel snaps, and we had those young CBs we just drafted.

We should have kept one or both of them, but at the time, the decisions made sense.

 

[Heyjoe4]

It's only obviously bad in hindsight.

We moved on from Rasul because it looked like we were going to crash and a rebuild was likely. We let a vet move on to greener pastures. Oops.

Hyde was a nickel/safety tweener for us. We had Dix and Burnett at safety and some up and coming (at the time) rookies ascending at CB. He actually was completing with Hayward for nickel back snaps.

Hayward's time with us reads more or less the same. He was up and down with injuries, was competing for nickel snaps, and we had those young CBs we just drafted.

We should have kept one or both of them, but at the time, the decisions made sense.

You're right. Hindsight is always 20/20.

I don't remember the years, but for consecutive drafts, CBs were taken in the first round twice. None of them were memorable - Clinton-Dix, Damarious Randall, Josh Jackson - i think those guys were included and all bombed.

This shit happens in the NFL. Win some, lose some.

 

[OldSchool101]

You're right. Hindsight is always 20/20.

I don't remember the years, but for consecutive drafts, CBs were taken in the first round twice. None of them were memorable - Clinton-Dix, Damarious Randall, Josh Jackson - i think those guys were included and all bombed.

This shit happens in the NFL. Win some, lose some.

Josh Jackson was RD2 (45th overall). Now Demarius kinda sucked and got traded right away.
Clinton Dix started for 6 years in the league (4.5 with GB) and even started nearly every game across his career. He never missed a game across that span and was an All Pro 2 designation with us so I’m Not sure how that’s “bombing” ? He actually even finished pretty respectable with Chicago before retiring.

 

[milani]

You're right. Hindsight is always 20/20.

I don't remember the years, but for consecutive drafts, CBs were taken in the first round twice. None of them were memorable - Clinton-Dix, Damarious Randall, Josh Jackson - i think those guys were included and all bombed.

This shit happens in the NFL. Win some, lose some.

Don't forget Quinton Rollins and Kevin King.

 

[shockerx]

Josh Jackson was RD2 (45th overall). Now Demarius kinda sucked and got traded right away.
Clinton Dix started for 6 years in the league (4.5 with GB) and even started nearly every game across his career. He never missed a game across that span and was an All Pro 2 designation with us so I’m Not sure how that’s “bombing” ? He actually even finished pretty respectable with Chicago before retiring.

If I remember right, after Randell we went back to back with Quiten Rollins in the 2nd he belongs in the bombed discussion ....but not Dix, he played pretty well for GB.

 

[OldSchool101]

If I remember right, after Randell we went back to back with Quiten Rollins in the 2nd he belongs in the bombed discussion ....but not Dix, he played pretty well for GB.

Close Randall was an end of Day 1 that sucked. Lol

Quitten Rollins.. I caught it..very cute

 

[Heyjoe4]

Don't forget Quinton Rollins and Kevin King.

Oh yeah - King was taken ahead of TJ Watt.