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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thirteen Below" data-source="post: 1036340" data-attributes="member: 18006">Here's what I'm basing that on...That's a reminiscence from Pat Peppler, who was Lombardi's vice president in charge of player personnel.[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.packers.com/news/pat-peppler-tells-all-on-lombardi-packers-15472243[/URL]So that's not clear on exactly how much of a raise Kramer got, but it sounds like it was from $16,000 to something at least close to $23. This was in the era where most players had offseason jobs in lumberyards, construction. selling cars or insurance, etc. Turning down $23,000 woukld be a very difficult decision for Kramer.I also recall reading once that Kramer's raise was from $10-12K to $16K, but can't find that information anymore. But one thing that seems clear is Kramer got a raise big enough that Ringo was comfortatble asking for $25,000.</blockquote>

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