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<blockquote data-quote="tynimiller" data-source="post: 946562" data-attributes="member: 6578"><p>So what did we learn yesterday with MLF saying the above and a little bit more? </p><p></p><p>Honestly, nothing we didn't know - the organization wants Rodgers back, as any organization would....BUT what we did confirm is it would seem the brass is willing to crucify the future at the cost of pushing "all-in" one more season once more. </p><p></p><p>This isn't something caps allow a team to do perpetually, but as the Saints have illustrated eventually the stripping of a franchise will be required and dark days follow.</p><p></p><p>So where do we continue to find some savings...Amos cut or restructure is arguably the biggest way...extending Preston is another but look at the list of the most expensive current 2022 hits: <strong>Please note Jaire is not on this list as spotrac has him down on a "non-football injury spot" but his CAP HIT IS PRESENTLY $13.2M</strong></p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]17943[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>How might this look....well while you cannot do this with everyone of course (especially Rodgers, Adams and Jaire) but in many ways guys will need to restructure contracts to look very similar to their 2021 figures. MLF did bring up they will find a way to bring back "as many key contributors" as possible...I took that if reading between the lines as 'from 2021'. </p><p></p><p>So <strong>Zadarius</strong> is still grossly on the outside looking in....however could he realize with his back and age, he would rather compete for GB than chase money elsewhere? Sure could, it is a rare decision for guys to do so, but it is something we see more and more. Honestly, Whitney Mercilus it is rumored turned down better pay to come here last year....and it is going to take some vets to fill rosters on the lower end.</p><p></p><p>It is quite clear that you have to make Rodgers cap number hit at minimum half of what it is presently...</p><p></p><p><strong>Rodgers</strong> - say we shave his hit/pushing it down to $30.5M (saving 15.5M) 15<strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">.5M</span></strong></p><p><strong>Cobb</strong> - cannot see that hit - we extend/push him down to $5M (saving $4.5) what sucks is he already has nearly $2M hit in 2023 of void money. <strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">$20M</span></strong></p><p><strong>Jaire</strong> - Cannot let him hit 2022 at his $13.2M, you have to extend or trade him to save. Like Gary (later) if part of your future could structure a hard backend type contract. (say you save about $8M - could be more) <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>$28M</strong></span></p><p><strong><s>Turner</s></strong> - I still think despite being a key contributor is cut (saving $4M) <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>$32M</strong></span></p><p><strong><s>Lowry</s></strong> - With already THREE voided amounts beyond his contract year totaling around $3M already I think he is cut leaving a lot of dead money (Saves just $4M in 2022) <strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">$36M</span></strong></p><p><strong>Gary</strong> - If you think you want to build the future around him (meaning post Rodgers), you could extend him and put nearly all his hit in year 2 onward (save$2M) <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>$38M</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>Zadarius - </strong>$15.5M if cut saved, back injury, now 30 years old...he is the hardest cut, but to me the most obvious (he would need to take a massive pay cut to stay) (Saves $15.5M) </span><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>$53.5M</strong></span></p><p><strong>Crosby</strong> - Has to cut or rework/push....but again is a guy we will be taking hits on nearly $2M in three years after his contract ends after 2022. (Minimal savings maybe $1.5M or so) If he stays...you save only like $2.4M if you cut and only for 2022. <span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>$55M</strong></span></p><p></p><p>Say you cut/push/shave down like the above in some capacity...you've managed to get to about $6M-9M under cap....but you've done so with only 36 guys actually on the roster. You are no where close enough to have a full roster, sign draft picks and have ANY space for handling in season injuries and signings to fill AND THIS MEANS NO MONEY TO RESIGN ANY OF THE FOLLOWING (<strong>bolded biggest contributors</strong>):</p><p></p><p><strong>Davante Adams</strong></p><p><strong>MVS</strong> -UFA</p><p><strong>Lazard</strong> -RFA</p><p>Sullivan -UFA</p><p><strong>King</strong> -UFA</p><p><strong>Tonyan </strong>-UFA</p><p><strong>Campbell</strong> -UFA</p><p><strong>Douglas </strong>-UFA</p><p>Mercilus -UFA</p><p>Lancaster -UFA</p><p>EQSB -UFA</p><p>Dafney -ERFA</p><p><strong>Yosh</strong> -RFA</p><p><strong>Patrick</strong> -UFA</p><p>Burks -UFA</p><p><strong>Barnes</strong> -ERFA</p><p><strong>Bojo</strong> - UFA</p><p>Black - ERFA</p><p>Yiadom - UFA</p><p>Hanson - ERFA</p><p>Hamilton - ERFA</p><p>Anderson - ERFA</p><p></p><p><strong><em>15 Practice Squad guys</em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>**Two guys below that I don't think you can cut but do offer massive savings....both are crucial IMO to our defense and should be left alone. My fear is they'll shove voided years and we will yet again be paying for players not even here.</p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"><strong>Amos - </strong></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Illustrates perfectly what may be one of the tough decisions as he has no future voided money after his contract ends (2022 last year), and would save us 7.9M</span></p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Clark</span></strong> - This is his big hit year and follows with a $21M and $22M year, I'm unsure how or what you do with Kenny's - you don't want to take a ton of dead void money but this is a spot they may push some too...</p><p><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Preston Smith</span></strong> - Myself I resign/extend Preston, he has been Mr. Reliable for us and with Zadarius for sure out and Preston having a ton of savings for a cut ($13M)</p><p></p><p>You have a handful of guys that would cash you $750-$900K range if cut; Runyan, Vernon Scott, Garvin, Davis, Winfree, Galeai, Taylor, Wirtel, Hill, McDuffie BUT NONE OF THESE WOULD MAKE SENSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PLUG THIS LEVEL SALARY RIGHT BACK IN FOR REPLACEMENTS.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tynimiller, post: 946562, member: 6578"] So what did we learn yesterday with MLF saying the above and a little bit more? Honestly, nothing we didn't know - the organization wants Rodgers back, as any organization would....BUT what we did confirm is it would seem the brass is willing to crucify the future at the cost of pushing "all-in" one more season once more. This isn't something caps allow a team to do perpetually, but as the Saints have illustrated eventually the stripping of a franchise will be required and dark days follow. So where do we continue to find some savings...Amos cut or restructure is arguably the biggest way...extending Preston is another but look at the list of the most expensive current 2022 hits: [B]Please note Jaire is not on this list as spotrac has him down on a "non-football injury spot" but his CAP HIT IS PRESENTLY $13.2M[/B] [ATTACH type="full"]17943[/ATTACH] How might this look....well while you cannot do this with everyone of course (especially Rodgers, Adams and Jaire) but in many ways guys will need to restructure contracts to look very similar to their 2021 figures. MLF did bring up they will find a way to bring back "as many key contributors" as possible...I took that if reading between the lines as 'from 2021'. So [B]Zadarius[/B] is still grossly on the outside looking in....however could he realize with his back and age, he would rather compete for GB than chase money elsewhere? Sure could, it is a rare decision for guys to do so, but it is something we see more and more. Honestly, Whitney Mercilus it is rumored turned down better pay to come here last year....and it is going to take some vets to fill rosters on the lower end. It is quite clear that you have to make Rodgers cap number hit at minimum half of what it is presently... [B]Rodgers[/B] - say we shave his hit/pushing it down to $30.5M (saving 15.5M) 15[B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)].5M[/COLOR] Cobb[/B] - cannot see that hit - we extend/push him down to $5M (saving $4.5) what sucks is he already has nearly $2M hit in 2023 of void money. [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]$20M[/COLOR] Jaire[/B] - Cannot let him hit 2022 at his $13.2M, you have to extend or trade him to save. Like Gary (later) if part of your future could structure a hard backend type contract. (say you save about $8M - could be more) [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]$28M[/B][/COLOR] [B][S]Turner[/S][/B] - I still think despite being a key contributor is cut (saving $4M) [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]$32M[/B][/COLOR] [B][S]Lowry[/S][/B] - With already THREE voided amounts beyond his contract year totaling around $3M already I think he is cut leaving a lot of dead money (Saves just $4M in 2022) [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]$36M[/COLOR] Gary[/B] - If you think you want to build the future around him (meaning post Rodgers), you could extend him and put nearly all his hit in year 2 onward (save$2M) [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]$38M[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][B]Zadarius - [/B]$15.5M if cut saved, back injury, now 30 years old...he is the hardest cut, but to me the most obvious (he would need to take a massive pay cut to stay) (Saves $15.5M)[B] [/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]$53.5M[/B][/COLOR] [B]Crosby[/B] - Has to cut or rework/push....but again is a guy we will be taking hits on nearly $2M in three years after his contract ends after 2022. (Minimal savings maybe $1.5M or so) If he stays...you save only like $2.4M if you cut and only for 2022. [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]$55M[/B][/COLOR] Say you cut/push/shave down like the above in some capacity...you've managed to get to about $6M-9M under cap....but you've done so with only 36 guys actually on the roster. You are no where close enough to have a full roster, sign draft picks and have ANY space for handling in season injuries and signings to fill AND THIS MEANS NO MONEY TO RESIGN ANY OF THE FOLLOWING ([B]bolded biggest contributors[/B]): [B]Davante Adams MVS[/B] -UFA [B]Lazard[/B] -RFA Sullivan -UFA [B]King[/B] -UFA [B]Tonyan [/B]-UFA [B]Campbell[/B] -UFA [B]Douglas [/B]-UFA Mercilus -UFA Lancaster -UFA EQSB -UFA Dafney -ERFA [B]Yosh[/B] -RFA [B]Patrick[/B] -UFA Burks -UFA [B]Barnes[/B] -ERFA [B]Bojo[/B] - UFA Black - ERFA Yiadom - UFA Hanson - ERFA Hamilton - ERFA Anderson - ERFA [B][I]15 Practice Squad guys[/I][/B] **Two guys below that I don't think you can cut but do offer massive savings....both are crucial IMO to our defense and should be left alone. My fear is they'll shove voided years and we will yet again be paying for players not even here. [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][B]Amos - [/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Illustrates perfectly what may be one of the tough decisions as he has no future voided money after his contract ends (2022 last year), and would save us 7.9M[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Clark[/COLOR][/B] - This is his big hit year and follows with a $21M and $22M year, I'm unsure how or what you do with Kenny's - you don't want to take a ton of dead void money but this is a spot they may push some too... [B][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Preston Smith[/COLOR][/B] - Myself I resign/extend Preston, he has been Mr. Reliable for us and with Zadarius for sure out and Preston having a ton of savings for a cut ($13M) You have a handful of guys that would cash you $750-$900K range if cut; Runyan, Vernon Scott, Garvin, Davis, Winfree, Galeai, Taylor, Wirtel, Hill, McDuffie BUT NONE OF THESE WOULD MAKE SENSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PLUG THIS LEVEL SALARY RIGHT BACK IN FOR REPLACEMENTS. [/QUOTE]
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