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<blockquote data-quote="TJV" data-source="post: 552731" data-attributes="member: 4300"><p>Of course Thompson doesn't possess psychic powers, I would never argue Thompson knew how any player's career would pan out and he makes that point repeatedly. What I thought we were - and certainly what I was - talking about is value verses need <em>at the time they were drafted</em>, and specifically regarding Matthews and Rodgers their value vs. need at the time they were drafted. The outcome of their careers is moot for this discussion. And of course examining evidence requires hindsight: The logic in the "proof" of how highly Thompson and staff rated Matthews is how much they paid to acquire the pick to draft him. It would strain logic to argue otherwise. I think we both agree Matthews was a pick that skewed more toward need (as was Raji) because of the change Capers was bringing to the D. I used the Matthews example as evidence that Thompson and company did not view Rodgers as as much of a need pick because they didn't trade up for Rodgers as he fell down in the first round. IMO if the Packers viewed backup QB as a need pick, as you do, they would have at least inquired about a trade up, because just as some considered Matthews a reach, the consensus of nearly all "experts" had Rodgers going very early – some even had him #1 in that draft.</p><p></p><p>Here’s an article that repeats what Thompson said after drafting Rodgers: <a href="http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/204186911.html" target="_blank">http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/204186911.html</a> Thompson plays his cards very close to the vest before the draft but IMO there would be no reason for him to lie or mislead about this. I believe the Packers had Rodgers rated in the first tier of players in that draft and I believe they didn’t think he’d be there at 24 until the “last week or so”.</p><p></p><p>So again, Matthews was a player the Packers had rated high – they certainly viewed him as a value at #26 - at a position of need so they traded up to get him. Rodgers was a player the Packers had rated much higher than #24 but not at a position of need so they stayed put and he fell to them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TJV, post: 552731, member: 4300"] Of course Thompson doesn't possess psychic powers, I would never argue Thompson knew how any player's career would pan out and he makes that point repeatedly. What I thought we were - and certainly what I was - talking about is value verses need [I]at the time they were drafted[/I], and specifically regarding Matthews and Rodgers their value vs. need at the time they were drafted. The outcome of their careers is moot for this discussion. And of course examining evidence requires hindsight: The logic in the "proof" of how highly Thompson and staff rated Matthews is how much they paid to acquire the pick to draft him. It would strain logic to argue otherwise. I think we both agree Matthews was a pick that skewed more toward need (as was Raji) because of the change Capers was bringing to the D. I used the Matthews example as evidence that Thompson and company did not view Rodgers as as much of a need pick because they didn't trade up for Rodgers as he fell down in the first round. IMO if the Packers viewed backup QB as a need pick, as you do, they would have at least inquired about a trade up, because just as some considered Matthews a reach, the consensus of nearly all "experts" had Rodgers going very early – some even had him #1 in that draft. Here’s an article that repeats what Thompson said after drafting Rodgers: [url]http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/204186911.html[/url] Thompson plays his cards very close to the vest before the draft but IMO there would be no reason for him to lie or mislead about this. I believe the Packers had Rodgers rated in the first tier of players in that draft and I believe they didn’t think he’d be there at 24 until the “last week or so”. So again, Matthews was a player the Packers had rated high – they certainly viewed him as a value at #26 - at a position of need so they traded up to get him. Rodgers was a player the Packers had rated much higher than #24 but not at a position of need so they stayed put and he fell to them. [/QUOTE]
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