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<blockquote data-quote="TJV" data-source="post: 490237" data-attributes="member: 4300"><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">That's one for the Know-It-All Hall of Fame; and to think you accused someone else of pontificating!</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The nurture/nature argument is not as settled as you pretend. For example, what if Woodson's genetics prevented him from being as fast as he was/is? What if the peak of his "football potential" was to be an average high school or college player? Or in the context of the Packers, an average STs player? You mentioned Lincoln. What if he was born with the maximum capability to have an IQ of 90? Or do you believe every brain has equal potential? We are all the product of nuture and nature and no one - <u>not even you</u> - knows the exact consequence of either. </span> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">So you think Lattimore could be viewed as a leader of the team on the same level as Rodgers even if he were inactive for half the games? IMO that's nonsense. Rudy Ruettiger was an inspiration for his Notre Dame teammates but he wasn't a team leader. </span> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">First, what I posted was, "</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"> with regard to a <u>pro sports team</u>, athletic ability plays an important part in a players' ability to be a team leader". You incorrectly conflated that to apply to all fields. </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">Second, you seem to be making up your own definition of "leadership". The basic definition is the ability to guide, direct, or influence people. Here's another definition from businessdictionary.com: "Leadership involves (1) establishing a clear vision, (2) sharing that vision with others so that they will follow willingly, <span style="color: #000000">(3) <a href="http://www.investorwords.com/16117/provider.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">providing</span></a> the <a href="http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/information.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">information</span></a>, <a href="http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/knowledge.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">knowledge</span></a> and <a href="http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/method.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">methods</span></a> to <a href="http://www.investorwords.com/4064/realize.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">realize</span></a> that vision, and (4) coordinating and balancing the conflicting <a href="http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/interest.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">interests</span></a> of <a href="http://www.investorwords.com/6221/all.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">all</span></a> <a href="http://www.investorguide.com/definition/member.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">members</span></a> and <a href="http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/stakeholder.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">stakeholders</span></a>. </span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: #000000">There are different theories regarding what makes a leader so in</span> contradiction to your opening sentence what makes a leader is not a "fact" or anything close to "settled science". However IMO leadership does not equal "the ability to overcome shortcomings" or being an inspiration. Those qualities may be possessed by a leader but they aren't required IMO. As I previously posted, IMO a person's leadership abilities can be improved upon, but just like athletic ability some of us have a head start. For example many leaders exhibit the quality of charisma. To me that is something one either has or doesn't; one can't learn to be charismatic.</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TJV, post: 490237, member: 4300"] [FONT=Georgia][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]That's one for the Know-It-All Hall of Fame; and to think you accused someone else of pontificating![/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]The nurture/nature argument is not as settled as you pretend. For example, what if Woodson's genetics prevented him from being as fast as he was/is? What if the peak of his "football potential" was to be an average high school or college player? Or in the context of the Packers, an average STs player? You mentioned Lincoln. What if he was born with the maximum capability to have an IQ of 90? Or do you believe every brain has equal potential? We are all the product of nuture and nature and no one - [U]not even you[/U] - knows the exact consequence of either. [/FONT][FONT=Georgia] [/FONT][FONT=Arial]So you think Lattimore could be viewed as a leader of the team on the same level as Rodgers even if he were inactive for half the games? IMO that's nonsense. Rudy Ruettiger was an inspiration for his Notre Dame teammates but he wasn't a team leader. [/FONT][FONT=Georgia] [/FONT][FONT=Arial]First, what I posted was, "[/FONT][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black] with regard to a [U]pro sports team[/U], athletic ability plays an important part in a players' ability to be a team leader". You incorrectly conflated that to apply to all fields. [/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]Second, you seem to be making up your own definition of "leadership". The basic definition is the ability to guide, direct, or influence people. Here's another definition from businessdictionary.com: "Leadership involves (1) establishing a clear vision, (2) sharing that vision with others so that they will follow willingly, [COLOR=#000000](3) [URL='http://www.investorwords.com/16117/provider.html'][COLOR=#000000]providing[/COLOR][/URL] the [URL='http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/information.html'][COLOR=#000000]information[/COLOR][/URL], [URL='http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/knowledge.html'][COLOR=#000000]knowledge[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL='http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/method.html'][COLOR=#000000]methods[/COLOR][/URL] to [URL='http://www.investorwords.com/4064/realize.html'][COLOR=#000000]realize[/COLOR][/URL] that vision, and (4) coordinating and balancing the conflicting [URL='http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/interest.html'][COLOR=#000000]interests[/COLOR][/URL] of [URL='http://www.investorwords.com/6221/all.html'][COLOR=#000000]all[/COLOR][/URL] [URL='http://www.investorguide.com/definition/member.html'][COLOR=#000000]members[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL='http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/stakeholder.html'][COLOR=#000000]stakeholders[/COLOR][/URL]. [/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=#000000]There are different theories regarding what makes a leader so in[/COLOR] contradiction to your opening sentence what makes a leader is not a "fact" or anything close to "settled science". However IMO leadership does not equal "the ability to overcome shortcomings" or being an inspiration. Those qualities may be possessed by a leader but they aren't required IMO. As I previously posted, IMO a person's leadership abilities can be improved upon, but just like athletic ability some of us have a head start. For example many leaders exhibit the quality of charisma. To me that is something one either has or doesn't; one can't learn to be charismatic.[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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