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<blockquote data-quote="Voyageur" data-source="post: 947532" data-attributes="member: 17953"><p>Bengtson was done before he started. The team Lombardi left him was old, and had a lot of younger players who would never develop. If you look at Lombardi's actual drafting, it was fair, not great. A lot of the early success came from players who were there when he took over in 1958. Not belittling his drafts, just saying Bengtson wasn't so lucky, and taking over behind a legend? Also, Phil was a nice guy who worked well under direction, not giving direction other than as a coach who took orders.</p><p></p><p>Starr and Gregg had a tough road to ***. Not enough money to get top level free agents, and at that time, Green Bay had become "The Siberia of Football." You didn't want to go there, if you could avoid it. Add to it, the paranoia that Gregg brought to the table, after having been "spied on" in Cleveland with a plant from the ownership, and you could understand his being tight. Making matters worse, he couldn't handle both GM and coaches job. He needed to be the coach, and someone else should have been in charge of the office. He also didn't trust about half the people working for the Packers. If they were there before he got there, he figured they were spying on him. He was dead in the water before he started. Sadly, Starr had about the same feeling. </p><p></p><p>Nobody was trying to undermine them. They just thought they were, from what I gathered. But, to them, it was a mindset. Not quite true with Devine when he came in. He was an outsider, a "hotshot" who knew all the answers. But, he was not Packer family, and the Executive Board did undermine a lot of what he was doing. A lot of us are still trying to sort out the damned Hadl trade, all these years later. What were they all thinking? It was worse than Infante thinking that he was much wiser than the people who warned him about players like Tony Mandarich. A steroid freak. To those who knew the score, they warned that this guy would never pass the physical because of the 'roids. Disaster. He didn't want to go to Green Bay either. He said it was a little village in the middle of nowhere. He was "The Great Mandarich," and he'd do what he wanted, when he wanted. How'd that work out for the Packers, and Mandarich? Infante was shown the door.</p><p></p><p>It was a bad era. Kind of like waking up in the morning with a cow in bed with you wearing lipstick, and you can't remember what the hell you did last night... and as you think about it, you don't really want to remember......</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Voyageur, post: 947532, member: 17953"] Bengtson was done before he started. The team Lombardi left him was old, and had a lot of younger players who would never develop. If you look at Lombardi's actual drafting, it was fair, not great. A lot of the early success came from players who were there when he took over in 1958. Not belittling his drafts, just saying Bengtson wasn't so lucky, and taking over behind a legend? Also, Phil was a nice guy who worked well under direction, not giving direction other than as a coach who took orders. Starr and Gregg had a tough road to ***. Not enough money to get top level free agents, and at that time, Green Bay had become "The Siberia of Football." You didn't want to go there, if you could avoid it. Add to it, the paranoia that Gregg brought to the table, after having been "spied on" in Cleveland with a plant from the ownership, and you could understand his being tight. Making matters worse, he couldn't handle both GM and coaches job. He needed to be the coach, and someone else should have been in charge of the office. He also didn't trust about half the people working for the Packers. If they were there before he got there, he figured they were spying on him. He was dead in the water before he started. Sadly, Starr had about the same feeling. Nobody was trying to undermine them. They just thought they were, from what I gathered. But, to them, it was a mindset. Not quite true with Devine when he came in. He was an outsider, a "hotshot" who knew all the answers. But, he was not Packer family, and the Executive Board did undermine a lot of what he was doing. A lot of us are still trying to sort out the damned Hadl trade, all these years later. What were they all thinking? It was worse than Infante thinking that he was much wiser than the people who warned him about players like Tony Mandarich. A steroid freak. To those who knew the score, they warned that this guy would never pass the physical because of the 'roids. Disaster. He didn't want to go to Green Bay either. He said it was a little village in the middle of nowhere. He was "The Great Mandarich," and he'd do what he wanted, when he wanted. How'd that work out for the Packers, and Mandarich? Infante was shown the door. It was a bad era. Kind of like waking up in the morning with a cow in bed with you wearing lipstick, and you can't remember what the hell you did last night... and as you think about it, you don't really want to remember...... [/QUOTE]
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