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<blockquote data-quote="Shawnsta3" data-source="post: 474931" data-attributes="member: 5065"><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px">Wow. Pretty sure I agreed or disagreed on every post in this thread. Lots of differing opinions. That's great. Here's my thoughts:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px">I agree a lot with what Trent Dilfer said. I thought he hit right on. TD may have not been a "great" quarterback in the NFL but he won a championship and he sure knows his stuff. But he kind of blends our lack of good o-line play in with us not being a championship caliber team this year. I think they can certainly get better before then and help drive us to the Super Bowl, and for that matter who, this time of the year doesn't have a weakness or two? </span><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 18px"><em>Any 7-4 team with as good of a quarterback as us is championship caliber. Regardless of blocking.</em></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px">The 2nd thing I want to address is the scheme.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #ff0000">"If the proof is in the pudding, where is the historical success of this scheme, coach, etc., when it comes to the Packers in 2012, since employed under McCarthy's watch and going forward!"</span> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px">The historical success of the zone blocking scheme under the Packers and Mike McCarthy's discretion has been minimal. Whether that is due to the scheme itself, lack of prime talent at RB, or just minimal attention paid to the running game at all by Mike McCarthy, I'm not sure. My guess is it's more the last two then the first one.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px">However, the zone blocking scheme has worked very well elsewhere. You look around the league and 8 teams- Redskins, Colts, Raiders, Texans, Seahawks, Chiefs, Panthers and the Packers all base their entire offense off it. With a few other teams running different variations of it. Of those 8 teams-</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px">3/8 are in the top 10 of total offense. 1/8 in the bottom 10.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><u>5/8 in the top 10 of total rushing.</u> 2/8 in the bottom 10.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px">So no one else seems to be having as big of a problem with it as us. Which makes me even more lead to believe it has something less to do with the scheme and more of something else.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #ff9900"><em><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px">EDS had no idea what the hell he was doing last night. </span></span></em></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px">This men, is the main culprit to last nights troubles. Refer to 7thFloorRA's post for an in depth description of EDS's play yesterday.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px">And finally, those saying we lack talent/ aren't good enough/ bad drafting/ bad GM'ing by TT.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px">Raise your hand if you thought our offensive line was going to be a main problem this year. *No Movements*</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px">That's right. There is 2 things this offensive line is. Young and injured. If you want to make generalizations that "<span style="color: #808000">Nobody on this team will be as good as Tauscher or Clifton</span>" That's fine. Maybe they won't be. That's a pretty high bar. But also remember. We have 2 darn good young first round picks injured right now. </span></span><span style="font-size: 18px"><em>And our offensive linemen as a whole read by age 23, 26, 25, 24, 26, 22, 23, 23 <span style="font-size: 15px">and Jeff Saturday being the outlier at 37.</span></em></span><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"> That's a damn young group. Just something to think about I feel a lot of people overlook.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px">Kind of unorganized. But this already took a half hour to write. So overlook my messiness please lol</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shawnsta3, post: 474931, member: 5065"] [SIZE=4][SIZE=4]Wow. Pretty sure I agreed or disagreed on every post in this thread. Lots of differing opinions. That's great. Here's my thoughts:[/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][SIZE=4]I agree a lot with what Trent Dilfer said. I thought he hit right on. TD may have not been a "great" quarterback in the NFL but he won a championship and he sure knows his stuff. But he kind of blends our lack of good o-line play in with us not being a championship caliber team this year. I think they can certainly get better before then and help drive us to the Super Bowl, and for that matter who, this time of the year doesn't have a weakness or two? [/SIZE][SIZE=5][SIZE=5][I]Any 7-4 team with as good of a quarterback as us is championship caliber. Regardless of blocking.[/I][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][SIZE=4]The 2nd thing I want to address is the scheme.[/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][SIZE=4][COLOR=#ff0000]"If the proof is in the pudding, where is the historical success of this scheme, coach, etc., when it comes to the Packers in 2012, since employed under McCarthy's watch and going forward!"[/COLOR] [/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][SIZE=4]The historical success of the zone blocking scheme under the Packers and Mike McCarthy's discretion has been minimal. Whether that is due to the scheme itself, lack of prime talent at RB, or just minimal attention paid to the running game at all by Mike McCarthy, I'm not sure. My guess is it's more the last two then the first one.[/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][SIZE=4]However, the zone blocking scheme has worked very well elsewhere. You look around the league and 8 teams- Redskins, Colts, Raiders, Texans, Seahawks, Chiefs, Panthers and the Packers all base their entire offense off it. With a few other teams running different variations of it. Of those 8 teams-[/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][SIZE=4]3/8 are in the top 10 of total offense. 1/8 in the bottom 10.[/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][SIZE=4][U]5/8 in the top 10 of total rushing.[/U] 2/8 in the bottom 10.[/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][SIZE=4]So no one else seems to be having as big of a problem with it as us. Which makes me even more lead to believe it has something less to do with the scheme and more of something else.[/SIZE][/SIZE] [COLOR=#ff9900][I][SIZE=4][SIZE=4]EDS had no idea what the hell he was doing last night. [/SIZE][/SIZE][/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][SIZE=4][SIZE=4]This men, is the main culprit to last nights troubles. Refer to 7thFloorRA's post for an in depth description of EDS's play yesterday.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][SIZE=4][SIZE=4]And finally, those saying we lack talent/ aren't good enough/ bad drafting/ bad GM'ing by TT.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][SIZE=4][SIZE=4]Raise your hand if you thought our offensive line was going to be a main problem this year. *No Movements*[/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][SIZE=4][SIZE=4]That's right. There is 2 things this offensive line is. Young and injured. If you want to make generalizations that "[COLOR=#808000]Nobody on this team will be as good as Tauscher or Clifton[/COLOR]" That's fine. Maybe they won't be. That's a pretty high bar. But also remember. We have 2 darn good young first round picks injured right now. [/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=5][I]And our offensive linemen as a whole read by age 23, 26, 25, 24, 26, 22, 23, 23 [SIZE=4]and Jeff Saturday being the outlier at 37.[/SIZE][/I][/SIZE][SIZE=4][SIZE=4] That's a damn young group. Just something to think about I feel a lot of people overlook.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][SIZE=4][SIZE=4]Kind of unorganized. But this already took a half hour to write. So overlook my messiness please lol[/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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