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<blockquote data-quote="Dantés" data-source="post: 724264" data-attributes="member: 12283"><p>I know you believe that. I'm fine with you believing that. </p><p></p><p>In my opinion, one gets into trouble when they think that one indicator is all they need-- be it athletic testing numbers, PFF scores, their own tape watching, or statistics. It all needs to be considered. Heck, Steve Palazzolo just said on their podcast the other day that where the athletic numbers and the PFF scores overlap is where you find the closest thing to a "can't miss" prospect.</p><p></p><p>When I started following the draft closely 10 years ago, the general opinion (which I shared) was that athletic metrics should only be about 5% of the evaluation and you can see everything on tape if you know what to look for. As time has gone by, I've realized how wrong that was. You can't just "scout" combine results, but they do often correlate. You have to understand what matters at what position. But the bottom line is that I've found that athleticism deserves a much bigger chunk of the pie than it was getting.</p><p></p><p>Maybe it comes across like all I care about are combine numbers because I bring them up a lot. That's not true. I do watch these guys and pay a lot of attention to what the analysts say, including PFF. But I talk about the metrics because a) I think they're the most overlooked aspect of the process and b) they're easy to discuss online because they're quantifiable. </p><p></p><p>But I do think it's kind of weird that I can't really bring them up without someone making some comment about "underwear olympics." There are a number of teams that clearly put a lot of stock in this aspect of the process that so much fans scoff at as unimportant. The Packers, Seahawks, and Chiefs come to mind (basically anyone off the Wolf tree). The Steelers and Ravens have become increasingly more invested in athletic metrics in recent seasons. No one covets three cone times more than Bill Belichick. Maybe someone needs to call these front offices up and tell them that the combine is stupid. </p><p></p><p>But bottom line-- I stand by what I said. Teams that prioritize athleticism properly are going to be more successful in the draft. I don't know if that is true of PFF scores. Maybe it is. But I'm not telling anyone that sparq (or the like) is all that matters or that athleticism = success. It's one piece of the puzzle.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dantés, post: 724264, member: 12283"] I know you believe that. I'm fine with you believing that. In my opinion, one gets into trouble when they think that one indicator is all they need-- be it athletic testing numbers, PFF scores, their own tape watching, or statistics. It all needs to be considered. Heck, Steve Palazzolo just said on their podcast the other day that where the athletic numbers and the PFF scores overlap is where you find the closest thing to a "can't miss" prospect. When I started following the draft closely 10 years ago, the general opinion (which I shared) was that athletic metrics should only be about 5% of the evaluation and you can see everything on tape if you know what to look for. As time has gone by, I've realized how wrong that was. You can't just "scout" combine results, but they do often correlate. You have to understand what matters at what position. But the bottom line is that I've found that athleticism deserves a much bigger chunk of the pie than it was getting. Maybe it comes across like all I care about are combine numbers because I bring them up a lot. That's not true. I do watch these guys and pay a lot of attention to what the analysts say, including PFF. But I talk about the metrics because a) I think they're the most overlooked aspect of the process and b) they're easy to discuss online because they're quantifiable. But I do think it's kind of weird that I can't really bring them up without someone making some comment about "underwear olympics." There are a number of teams that clearly put a lot of stock in this aspect of the process that so much fans scoff at as unimportant. The Packers, Seahawks, and Chiefs come to mind (basically anyone off the Wolf tree). The Steelers and Ravens have become increasingly more invested in athletic metrics in recent seasons. No one covets three cone times more than Bill Belichick. Maybe someone needs to call these front offices up and tell them that the combine is stupid. But bottom line-- I stand by what I said. Teams that prioritize athleticism properly are going to be more successful in the draft. I don't know if that is true of PFF scores. Maybe it is. But I'm not telling anyone that sparq (or the like) is all that matters or that athleticism = success. It's one piece of the puzzle. [/QUOTE]
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