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<blockquote data-quote="Cal2GreenBay" data-source="post: 215494" data-attributes="member: 682"><p><strong>Re: Let's be clear about what a "game managing" quarterback</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good post Vince Favre and welcome.....all recorded and all discussed before as well regarding Tedford (I've had this discussion endless times).</p><p></p><p>Actually in my post on the plays....I tackled a portion of the Tedford "Five"</p><p></p><p>Basically the other 5 qbs you speak of were all QBs that Tedford</p><p>eaked the most out of. It's not that the system was bad, but Tedford</p><p>maximized the most out of his QBs that the NFL teams couldn't do.</p><p>The reason was the play calling and play design that he creates.</p><p></p><p>There's several levels to his system where the QB goes from beginner to advanced in their QB acumen. The only QBs of his system that went to advanced were Aaron Rodgers and Nate Longshore... The 5 who preceeded them never got past novice(in between beginner and advanced).</p><p></p><p>Akili Smith and Boller were not good processors of information and Tedford's system allowed large throwing zones that these lesser talented QBs can throw into. Making their reads much easier.</p><p></p><p>If it's there..throw there..if not...throw it away.</p><p></p><p>That's why the Cal offense wasn't as good w/Boller in there as opposed to Rodgers.</p><p></p><p>What you WILL read about regarding Tedford is that he</p><p>even says that Aaron IS DIFFERENT.</p><p></p><p>He didn't have to spoon feed Aaron as he had to do </p><p>with Dilfer, Smith, Harrington, Billy Volek, and David Carr.</p><p></p><p>Sometimes Jeff Tedford had to remind himself that Aaron was </p><p>only 19 years old, when he master both the left and right throwing</p><p>zones of his offense.</p><p></p><p></p><p>REGARDING COLLEGE COACHES THAT DON'T PRODUCE BIGTIME NFL QBs.</p><p></p><p>If you're concerned about a college coach's track record for bringing QBs to the NFL...think STEVE SPURRIER.</p><p></p><p>His track record is MUCH WORSE...</p><p></p><p>But he doesn't get anywhere near the publicity.</p><p></p><p>Sage Rosenfels, Danny Wuerfel, etc etc...</p><p></p><p>ALSO think about some other accomplished big time college QBs as of late.</p><p></p><p>Alex Smith? Huge bust. Urban Meyer's QB's have done horribly in the NFL as well. But then again only TEDFORD get's the publicity.</p><p></p><p>Matt Lienart? Got benched and has struggled understanding the NFL</p><p>defenses. Think his system at USC was any bettter than CAL's?</p><p>USC gets by on getting the best athletes. Not the best system.</p><p>CAL beat them w/a better system and lesser players. </p><p></p><p>Vince Young? Norm Chow(the coach that had the offense for Matt Lienart) actually was fired because he couldn't get Vince Young to understand the intricacies of offense. Vince would just run when he felt like it. That speaks VOLUMES.</p><p></p><p>The bottom line here is that judging an NFL QB by his college coach</p><p>has no merit. </p><p></p><p>If anything Aaron benefitted more from a pro-style system through Tedford than not.</p><p></p><p>Again, I bring up Alex Smith.</p><p></p><p>He came from a college offense where he pretty much had all his receivers run down the field at the same time..and since they were better athletes..they were always open. And if they weren't open...he had running lanes and ran the ball.</p><p></p><p>That's Urban Meyers's offense. You think that translates well for the NFL?</p><p></p><p>You see by Alex Smith's performances that he's had a steep learning curve. Aaron's not had to endure that.</p><p></p><p>And ALSO keep in mind...Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers are both</p><p>schooled in the exact same offense under Mike McCarthy.</p><p></p><p>Alex looked TERRIBLE running it..because he couldn't process fast information fast enough.</p><p>Aaron has excelled in it and you guys can see the progress he's made.</p><p></p><p>That's pretty much the bottom line.</p><p></p><p>Vince Favre...I'll just give you two quotes from Mike McCarthy taken from this season.</p><p></p><p>Regarding Aaron Rodgers</p><p></p><p>"I liken AJ Hawk to Aaron Rodgers...when you guys see them in their comfort zone..you'll all see what they're all about"</p><p>- Both of those dudes have reached their comfort zone!</p><p></p><p>"Aaron's gonna be a FINE Quarterback in the NFL...I just can't give him enough reps" - After the Dallas game.</p><p></p><p></p><p>IT's not that people are HAPPY to see Favre go.</p><p>Being happy for Aaron to get his chance and hating Favre is not</p><p>a 1 to 1 relationship.</p><p></p><p>You can support Aaron AND Favre at the same time.</p><p></p><p>And also..what you see as an unproven commodity...</p><p></p><p>Through my posts, I'm trying to convey that the unproven</p><p>commodity, has been refined, polished, refined, and even</p><p>seasoned by that HOF who just gracefully bowed out.</p><p></p><p>The future is not as uncertain as many of you who don't know</p><p>Aaron think it is..</p><p></p><p>As I said..you guys are really going to enjoy watching him play.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cal2GreenBay, post: 215494, member: 682"] [b]Re: Let's be clear about what a "game managing" quarterback[/b] Good post Vince Favre and welcome.....all recorded and all discussed before as well regarding Tedford (I've had this discussion endless times). Actually in my post on the plays....I tackled a portion of the Tedford "Five" Basically the other 5 qbs you speak of were all QBs that Tedford eaked the most out of. It's not that the system was bad, but Tedford maximized the most out of his QBs that the NFL teams couldn't do. The reason was the play calling and play design that he creates. There's several levels to his system where the QB goes from beginner to advanced in their QB acumen. The only QBs of his system that went to advanced were Aaron Rodgers and Nate Longshore... The 5 who preceeded them never got past novice(in between beginner and advanced). Akili Smith and Boller were not good processors of information and Tedford's system allowed large throwing zones that these lesser talented QBs can throw into. Making their reads much easier. If it's there..throw there..if not...throw it away. That's why the Cal offense wasn't as good w/Boller in there as opposed to Rodgers. What you WILL read about regarding Tedford is that he even says that Aaron IS DIFFERENT. He didn't have to spoon feed Aaron as he had to do with Dilfer, Smith, Harrington, Billy Volek, and David Carr. Sometimes Jeff Tedford had to remind himself that Aaron was only 19 years old, when he master both the left and right throwing zones of his offense. REGARDING COLLEGE COACHES THAT DON'T PRODUCE BIGTIME NFL QBs. If you're concerned about a college coach's track record for bringing QBs to the NFL...think STEVE SPURRIER. His track record is MUCH WORSE... But he doesn't get anywhere near the publicity. Sage Rosenfels, Danny Wuerfel, etc etc... ALSO think about some other accomplished big time college QBs as of late. Alex Smith? Huge bust. Urban Meyer's QB's have done horribly in the NFL as well. But then again only TEDFORD get's the publicity. Matt Lienart? Got benched and has struggled understanding the NFL defenses. Think his system at USC was any bettter than CAL's? USC gets by on getting the best athletes. Not the best system. CAL beat them w/a better system and lesser players. Vince Young? Norm Chow(the coach that had the offense for Matt Lienart) actually was fired because he couldn't get Vince Young to understand the intricacies of offense. Vince would just run when he felt like it. That speaks VOLUMES. The bottom line here is that judging an NFL QB by his college coach has no merit. If anything Aaron benefitted more from a pro-style system through Tedford than not. Again, I bring up Alex Smith. He came from a college offense where he pretty much had all his receivers run down the field at the same time..and since they were better athletes..they were always open. And if they weren't open...he had running lanes and ran the ball. That's Urban Meyers's offense. You think that translates well for the NFL? You see by Alex Smith's performances that he's had a steep learning curve. Aaron's not had to endure that. And ALSO keep in mind...Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers are both schooled in the exact same offense under Mike McCarthy. Alex looked TERRIBLE running it..because he couldn't process fast information fast enough. Aaron has excelled in it and you guys can see the progress he's made. That's pretty much the bottom line. Vince Favre...I'll just give you two quotes from Mike McCarthy taken from this season. Regarding Aaron Rodgers "I liken AJ Hawk to Aaron Rodgers...when you guys see them in their comfort zone..you'll all see what they're all about" - Both of those dudes have reached their comfort zone! "Aaron's gonna be a FINE Quarterback in the NFL...I just can't give him enough reps" - After the Dallas game. IT's not that people are HAPPY to see Favre go. Being happy for Aaron to get his chance and hating Favre is not a 1 to 1 relationship. You can support Aaron AND Favre at the same time. And also..what you see as an unproven commodity... Through my posts, I'm trying to convey that the unproven commodity, has been refined, polished, refined, and even seasoned by that HOF who just gracefully bowed out. The future is not as uncertain as many of you who don't know Aaron think it is.. As I said..you guys are really going to enjoy watching him play. [/QUOTE]
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