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<blockquote data-quote="gwh11" data-source="post: 456850" data-attributes="member: 4910"><p>I think this is a good argument to have, because it forces you to think more about the history of the NFL.</p><p> </p><p>How does the Seniors Committee tackle these issues? In 2007, member Don Pierson of the Chicago Tribune stated that deliberation was "based on Pro Bowls and testimony I've seen and heard over the years."</p><p>What?!</p><p>There has to be a better, more systematic, more encompassing approach than this.</p><p>The HOF certainly has put in names recently that have been headscratchers (**** LeBeau? Floyd Little? Seriously?).</p><p> </p><p>So...should Kramer go in because of the Pro Bowl & All-Pro honors?</p><p>Another guard, Jim Tyrer, has him beat in that regard. How much emphasis should we put on those honors in that era? Do people know how Ray Nitschke compares to, say, Andy Russell or Lee Roy Jordan in that way? Would that mean they should get a HOF nod over Ray? Didn't Bill Forester have more Pro Bowl/All-Pro honors than Nitschke?</p><p> </p><p>Kramer is the only member of the 50th Anniversary team not in the Hall. That does feel odd. But how much weight should being named to that team carry? Unitas was chosen for that team over arguably the greatest QB of all time, Bart Starr.</p><p> </p><p>I wonder if there may have been some blowback against Kramer in how he approached the Ice Bowl block. From 'Instant Replay':"Kenny Bowman came up to me smiling and said, "Don't take all the credit, Kramer. Don't take all the credit. I helped you with that block."</p><p> </p><p>"Shut up, Bow," I said. "You've got ten more years to play. You've got plenty of time for glory. I ain't telling anybody anything. If they think I made that block alone, I'm gonna let them think it." I was only kidding Bowman, of course. But I've got to admit that I didn't tell many people about Bowman's part in the block."</p><p> </p><p>That may have soured Kramer's reputation among some writers.</p><p> </p><p>Ivo is exactly right about Kramer's fame from not being voted in.</p><p> </p><p>All things considered, I would vote for him to be in the Hall over a handful of others that have already been enshrined.</p><p> </p><p>But in my opinion the omission of LaVern Dilweg from the Hall makes even less sense. Before engaging in any conversation about which Packer has suffered the biggest slight from not being voted into the HOF, I would recommend reading this article on Dilweg, and compare his honors, domination, and impact on the game in his time versus Kramer, Robinson, Sharpe, etc: <a href="http://www.footballnation.com/content/old-school-the-hof-case-for-packers-great-lavern/2953/" target="_blank">http://www.footballnation.com/content/old-school-the-hof-case-for-packers-great-lavern/2953/</a>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gwh11, post: 456850, member: 4910"] I think this is a good argument to have, because it forces you to think more about the history of the NFL. How does the Seniors Committee tackle these issues? In 2007, member Don Pierson of the Chicago Tribune stated that deliberation was "based on Pro Bowls and testimony I've seen and heard over the years." What?! There has to be a better, more systematic, more encompassing approach than this. The HOF certainly has put in names recently that have been headscratchers (**** LeBeau? Floyd Little? Seriously?). So...should Kramer go in because of the Pro Bowl & All-Pro honors? Another guard, Jim Tyrer, has him beat in that regard. How much emphasis should we put on those honors in that era? Do people know how Ray Nitschke compares to, say, Andy Russell or Lee Roy Jordan in that way? Would that mean they should get a HOF nod over Ray? Didn't Bill Forester have more Pro Bowl/All-Pro honors than Nitschke? Kramer is the only member of the 50th Anniversary team not in the Hall. That does feel odd. But how much weight should being named to that team carry? Unitas was chosen for that team over arguably the greatest QB of all time, Bart Starr. I wonder if there may have been some blowback against Kramer in how he approached the Ice Bowl block. From 'Instant Replay':"Kenny Bowman came up to me smiling and said, "Don't take all the credit, Kramer. Don't take all the credit. I helped you with that block." "Shut up, Bow," I said. "You've got ten more years to play. You've got plenty of time for glory. I ain't telling anybody anything. If they think I made that block alone, I'm gonna let them think it." I was only kidding Bowman, of course. But I've got to admit that I didn't tell many people about Bowman's part in the block." That may have soured Kramer's reputation among some writers. Ivo is exactly right about Kramer's fame from not being voted in. All things considered, I would vote for him to be in the Hall over a handful of others that have already been enshrined. But in my opinion the omission of LaVern Dilweg from the Hall makes even less sense. Before engaging in any conversation about which Packer has suffered the biggest slight from not being voted into the HOF, I would recommend reading this article on Dilweg, and compare his honors, domination, and impact on the game in his time versus Kramer, Robinson, Sharpe, etc: [url]http://www.footballnation.com/content/old-school-the-hof-case-for-packers-great-lavern/2953/[/url]. [/QUOTE]
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