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Jerry Kramer, Dave Robinson, Bart Starr, and the HOF
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<blockquote data-quote="TJV" data-source="post: 459748" data-attributes="member: 4300"><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ivo610, </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Perhaps the reason you didn't get feedback on Starr's opinion on Kramer's HOF bid is some of us have heard it before. It continues to surprise me he is so adamant about it. Kramer ruffled some feathers around the league by writing his book <em>Instant Replay</em>. And he perhaps ruffled Starr's feathers by taking credit for "the block" in the Ice Bowl as that was a double team block with Ken Bowman and Kramer should have shared the credit. Or perhaps something else happened between Starr and Kramer. While it's been decades since I read Kramer's <em>Instant Replay</em>, I don't recall Starr being mistreated in it or anyone else saying he was. I do know some considered it crossing the line of 'what happens in the locker room, stays in the locker room' but by today's standards is as milquetoast as it can be. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">As I said, I've heard the arguments Starr puts forward before and I'll add another: Some believe another Packers OG - Gale Gillingham - was better and he's not in the Pro Football HOF either. <em>'So he's not even the best OG on his team not in.'</em> (In my biased opinion, Kramer, Gillingham, Skoronski, and Robinson all deserve the honor. And I think the argument there are already "too many" Lombardi Packers in the HOF silly.) </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">I think Kramer deserves it because he was named All-Pro five times and he played a crucial position in Lombardi's signature play, the sweep. In addition to being a great OG, Kramer was the team's kicker for three seasons and in the 1962 Title game against the Giants he accounted for 10 points in the Packers 16-7 win. Kramer was tough as nails as he endured 22 surgeries in his 11 NFL seasons. But the biggest reason IMO he deserves to be in the HOF is he is the only member of the 50th anniversary team not in the Pro Football HOF. </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TJV, post: 459748, member: 4300"] [FONT=Tahoma]ivo610, [/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]Perhaps the reason you didn't get feedback on Starr's opinion on Kramer's HOF bid is some of us have heard it before. It continues to surprise me he is so adamant about it. Kramer ruffled some feathers around the league by writing his book [I]Instant Replay[/I]. And he perhaps ruffled Starr's feathers by taking credit for "the block" in the Ice Bowl as that was a double team block with Ken Bowman and Kramer should have shared the credit. Or perhaps something else happened between Starr and Kramer. While it's been decades since I read Kramer's [I]Instant Replay[/I], I don't recall Starr being mistreated in it or anyone else saying he was. I do know some considered it crossing the line of 'what happens in the locker room, stays in the locker room' but by today's standards is as milquetoast as it can be. [/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]As I said, I've heard the arguments Starr puts forward before and I'll add another: Some believe another Packers OG - Gale Gillingham - was better and he's not in the Pro Football HOF either. [I]'So he's not even the best OG on his team not in.'[/I] (In my biased opinion, Kramer, Gillingham, Skoronski, and Robinson all deserve the honor. And I think the argument there are already "too many" Lombardi Packers in the HOF silly.) [/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]I think Kramer deserves it because he was named All-Pro five times and he played a crucial position in Lombardi's signature play, the sweep. In addition to being a great OG, Kramer was the team's kicker for three seasons and in the 1962 Title game against the Giants he accounted for 10 points in the Packers 16-7 win. Kramer was tough as nails as he endured 22 surgeries in his 11 NFL seasons. But the biggest reason IMO he deserves to be in the HOF is he is the only member of the 50th anniversary team not in the Pro Football HOF. [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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