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<blockquote data-quote="TJV" data-source="post: 565067" data-attributes="member: 4300"><p>Quoted below is a post from DrafHobbyist from the comparing rosters thread that got derailed and closed. This is the original comment I disagreed with: “ … C is very questionable (Tretter recovers well, but if you watch him he gets thrown back almost every snap on first contact, although I do like the rest of the OL) …” I just copied the part of his next post having to do with JC Tretter. I went through the first drive against the Rams recording how Tretter did.</p><p></p><p>1. Lacy run around left end: Tretter did not take a step back, he hit the DT and positioned himself perfectly to shield the DT from the play. Then he ran downfield ending up beyond where Lacy was tackled.</p><p></p><p>2. Check down pass to Lacy in the middle of the field. Lang and Tretter each take a half a step forward as they “catch” the DT and double team him. Sitton does not take a step forward, instead he stands up and “catches” the DT and is pushed back about 4 yards before the pass is thrown. Each OT takes a step back before contact with the DT. After the ball is thrown Tretter follows the DT he was doubling (the DT went after Lacy downfield) and threw a block at him while Lacy was being tackled.</p><p></p><p>3. Pass play but Rodgers runs around the left end. Tretter does not take a step back, he mirrors what Lang does on the play. He blocks the DT and Sitton kind of doubles him – it was strange because Sitton’s back ends up turned toward that DT. Tretter has his man about the same place as Lang’s regarding the LOS. (Lang got chip help from Lacy.) Again both OTs took steps back and Rodgers scrambled because Bakhtiari’s guy was pushed beyond Aaron but then was free. Tretter controlled the DT after Sitton stopped the “double”.</p><p></p><p>4. Very quick pass to Boykin to the right. Lang starts to pull to the left, Sitton takes Tretter’s guy and Tretter blocks Lang’s guy. He does not take a step back – he takes a half step to the right and ball is out.</p><p></p><p>5. Another pass to Boykin, this time out of the shotgun. Sitton, Tretter, and Lang are in unison as the play starts – none of them take even a half step forward they all “catch”. Sitton is driven back slightly more than Tretter (Lang’s guy is dancing with him) when the ball is thrown, just as Lacy chips on Tretter’s guy.</p><p></p><p>6. Pass to Cobb. Again all three interior OL catch and one DT runs right into the gap between Sitton an Tretter and they double him. Lang blocks one-on-one and the center of the OL is solid - there's about 4 yards between them and Rodgers when the ball is thrown. Again the OTs take a half step to a step back.</p><p></p><p>7. Another check down pass to Lacy in the middle. Lang chips Tretter’s guy and Tretter does get pushed back about two yards but the DT never gets past Tretter.</p><p></p><p>8. Lacy run to the left. Tretter’s guy is lined up in the gap between him and Sitton so it’s a little bit of a reach block. Tretter gets pushed back again, this time 2-3 yards but he controls the DT who doesn’t touch Lacy.</p><p></p><p>9. Lacy run up the middle. Sitton pulls around Tretter and Tretter has the angle on the DT this time. He takes half a step forward and controls him completely.</p><p></p><p>10. Lacy runs over LG on 3rd and 1. All three interior OL move forward at the snap and push 2-3 yards. TE Rodgers lets his guy cross his face from the right side of the formation (maybe a mix up with Bulaga) or it would have been very easy for Lacy. He barely makes the first down.</p><p></p><p>11. Another run by Lacy to about the same spot. Tretter and Sitton double the DT and the DT gets his hands to Tretter’s face. This turned into a scrum. IMO Tretter got too high on this run but it was Bulaga’s guy, not the doubled DT who made the tackle.</p><p></p><p>12. TD to Cobb. Tretter doubles with Lang and Bulaga is there too. Sitton gets pushed back to the 9 yard line (ball snapped at about the 3).</p><p></p><p>I also looked at the second drive for a TD/FG and saw the same thing. Actually, the DTs were attacking the gaps on the OG’s outer shoulders more so on a few occasions Tretter was left with no one to block. That was the case on the long pass to Quarless – Rodgers scrambled and my guess is it was 4+ seconds before he threw that ball. Tretter “retreated” with the OGs, the DL stunted and Tretter picked up the DE. He gave up some ground but again, Aaron wasn’t touched.</p><p></p><p>I’m not saying Tretter is great or that he manhandled D linemen. And I understand you aren't saying he sucks, but I am saying what you stated is incorrect as regarding his play for the first two drives of that game: He definitely did not get 'thrown back almost every snap on first contact'. (The NFL channel may replay that game and if it does, please record it and look for yourself.) IMO Tretter played well, particularly with the pressure of the hurry up/no huddle for much of the drives and playing against a good DL. BTW, when OL pass block, it’s a mistake to fire out too aggressively. That’s why the OTs “never” do that and interior OL very seldom do. If an OL gets pushed back a couple of yards and controls his man, he’s done his job. Perhaps that’s what you saw.</p><p></p><p>As I posted before, I had concerns/questions about Tretter before the preseason started. He'll no doubt have a few rookie moments during the season, but those concerns have melted away for me. If they all stay healthy I see very good things for the interior of the Packers OL for the next few years. And Rodgers finally won't have to break in yet another OC.</p><p>(<span style="color: #ff0000">Sorry about the length of this post, I'm going for the longest post of the year award!</span> <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/biggrin.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" />)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TJV, post: 565067, member: 4300"] Quoted below is a post from DrafHobbyist from the comparing rosters thread that got derailed and closed. This is the original comment I disagreed with: “ … C is very questionable (Tretter recovers well, but if you watch him he gets thrown back almost every snap on first contact, although I do like the rest of the OL) …” I just copied the part of his next post having to do with JC Tretter. I went through the first drive against the Rams recording how Tretter did. 1. Lacy run around left end: Tretter did not take a step back, he hit the DT and positioned himself perfectly to shield the DT from the play. Then he ran downfield ending up beyond where Lacy was tackled. 2. Check down pass to Lacy in the middle of the field. Lang and Tretter each take a half a step forward as they “catch” the DT and double team him. Sitton does not take a step forward, instead he stands up and “catches” the DT and is pushed back about 4 yards before the pass is thrown. Each OT takes a step back before contact with the DT. After the ball is thrown Tretter follows the DT he was doubling (the DT went after Lacy downfield) and threw a block at him while Lacy was being tackled. 3. Pass play but Rodgers runs around the left end. Tretter does not take a step back, he mirrors what Lang does on the play. He blocks the DT and Sitton kind of doubles him – it was strange because Sitton’s back ends up turned toward that DT. Tretter has his man about the same place as Lang’s regarding the LOS. (Lang got chip help from Lacy.) Again both OTs took steps back and Rodgers scrambled because Bakhtiari’s guy was pushed beyond Aaron but then was free. Tretter controlled the DT after Sitton stopped the “double”. 4. Very quick pass to Boykin to the right. Lang starts to pull to the left, Sitton takes Tretter’s guy and Tretter blocks Lang’s guy. He does not take a step back – he takes a half step to the right and ball is out. 5. Another pass to Boykin, this time out of the shotgun. Sitton, Tretter, and Lang are in unison as the play starts – none of them take even a half step forward they all “catch”. Sitton is driven back slightly more than Tretter (Lang’s guy is dancing with him) when the ball is thrown, just as Lacy chips on Tretter’s guy. 6. Pass to Cobb. Again all three interior OL catch and one DT runs right into the gap between Sitton an Tretter and they double him. Lang blocks one-on-one and the center of the OL is solid - there's about 4 yards between them and Rodgers when the ball is thrown. Again the OTs take a half step to a step back. 7. Another check down pass to Lacy in the middle. Lang chips Tretter’s guy and Tretter does get pushed back about two yards but the DT never gets past Tretter. 8. Lacy run to the left. Tretter’s guy is lined up in the gap between him and Sitton so it’s a little bit of a reach block. Tretter gets pushed back again, this time 2-3 yards but he controls the DT who doesn’t touch Lacy. 9. Lacy run up the middle. Sitton pulls around Tretter and Tretter has the angle on the DT this time. He takes half a step forward and controls him completely. 10. Lacy runs over LG on 3rd and 1. All three interior OL move forward at the snap and push 2-3 yards. TE Rodgers lets his guy cross his face from the right side of the formation (maybe a mix up with Bulaga) or it would have been very easy for Lacy. He barely makes the first down. 11. Another run by Lacy to about the same spot. Tretter and Sitton double the DT and the DT gets his hands to Tretter’s face. This turned into a scrum. IMO Tretter got too high on this run but it was Bulaga’s guy, not the doubled DT who made the tackle. 12. TD to Cobb. Tretter doubles with Lang and Bulaga is there too. Sitton gets pushed back to the 9 yard line (ball snapped at about the 3). I also looked at the second drive for a TD/FG and saw the same thing. Actually, the DTs were attacking the gaps on the OG’s outer shoulders more so on a few occasions Tretter was left with no one to block. That was the case on the long pass to Quarless – Rodgers scrambled and my guess is it was 4+ seconds before he threw that ball. Tretter “retreated” with the OGs, the DL stunted and Tretter picked up the DE. He gave up some ground but again, Aaron wasn’t touched. I’m not saying Tretter is great or that he manhandled D linemen. And I understand you aren't saying he sucks, but I am saying what you stated is incorrect as regarding his play for the first two drives of that game: He definitely did not get 'thrown back almost every snap on first contact'. (The NFL channel may replay that game and if it does, please record it and look for yourself.) IMO Tretter played well, particularly with the pressure of the hurry up/no huddle for much of the drives and playing against a good DL. BTW, when OL pass block, it’s a mistake to fire out too aggressively. That’s why the OTs “never” do that and interior OL very seldom do. If an OL gets pushed back a couple of yards and controls his man, he’s done his job. Perhaps that’s what you saw. As I posted before, I had concerns/questions about Tretter before the preseason started. He'll no doubt have a few rookie moments during the season, but those concerns have melted away for me. If they all stay healthy I see very good things for the interior of the Packers OL for the next few years. And Rodgers finally won't have to break in yet another OC. ([COLOR=#ff0000]Sorry about the length of this post, I'm going for the longest post of the year award![/COLOR] :D) [/QUOTE]
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