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<blockquote data-quote="BorderRivals.com" data-source="post: 542527" data-attributes="member: 6416"><p>Wow. You really twisted some facts to make your point on that one. So, let's breakdown where you went wrong in some of that analysis.</p><p></p><p>(I removed 2005 from analysis because that was pre-TT.)</p><p></p><p>1. The Packers have been drafting at or near the end of the first round. Makes a huge difference when comparing with the 9ers who only recently have been drafting at or near the end of the first round. For instance, the 9ers draft picks by number: </p><p></p><p>2013 s Eric Reid (#18 pick)</p><p>2012 wr A. J. Jenkins (#30 - not even on team anymore)</p><p>2011 lb Aldon Smith (#7)</p><p>2010 ot Anthony Davis (#11) (you forgot Iupati #17)</p><p>2009 wr Michael Crabtree (#10)</p><p>2008 dt Kentwan Balmer (#29)</p><p>2007 lb Patrick Willis (#11)</p><p>2006 te Vernon Davis (#6)</p><p></p><p>So, the two absolute busts for the 9ers were those picked where the Packers have been picking during this same time frame. The studs they've gotten in the 1st round were all picked #18 or higher. We've picked higher than that only 3 times - Harrell, Hawk, and Raji. </p><p></p><p>2. You said the Packers have had 2 busts and 4 trending that way. Since you didn't name them, I'm going to venture a guess at the following busts: Harrell (obv.) and Carroll (that was Sherman's draft, so that is irrelevant for our TT bashing). Now to those trending that way, here's my guess at who you are commenting on:</p><p>Raji??? - That's a ridiculous contention. He was a catalyst to our SB win. Since then he's not lived up to his promise. But, you don't forget about that when analyzing draft bust or not.</p><p>Bulaga??? - Again, he was a rookie that came in and was a key figure in our SB win. Without him, I don't think we win or get to the SB after Tauscher goes down. And he's been beset with injuries since. When healthy, he's been an above average T.</p><p>Sherrod - Bust by way of injury. TT has no control over that.</p><p>Perry - He's not a bust. But he has not lived up to draft status yet. Still only going into his third year and can still break out. Worst case, he's a serviceable player. Not a bust though.</p><p>Jones - Absolutely ridiculous to call him a bust after one season.</p><p></p><p>3. Players can break out later in careers. VD was a bust for almost 5 seasons before he finally busted out. So, let's not go off the deep end yet.</p><p></p><p>4. And you honestly mentioned that Kyle Rudolph was going to be a key reason why the Vikes might turn it around. Really?!?! You cite to the fact he's a Pro Bowler as evidence of this. This is hilarious for so many reasons. One, Rudolph is far from an elite TE. He's a nice player, but nothing more than that. Two, no one cares about the Pro Bowl. With so many dropping out, it's getting less and less of an honor to be named to the PB. Three, the Chiefs had 7 PB last year, yet had the #1 pick. So, having alleged Pro Bowlers doesn't mean team success.</p><p></p><p>5. It's an inexact science. There are countless busts in each first round. Every team is going to swing a miss, particularly teams drafting in the bottom third almost every year. TT makes up for it with an overall draft that is usually better than average. He's done extremely well in the 2-4th rounds, nabbing the likes of Cobb, Jordy, Lacy, Bak, Sitton, Lang, Finley, Hayward, Daniels... </p><p></p><p>In conclusion, I get your overall point. But, you really, REALLY twisted the facts to make the point, making it very disingenuous as a result.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BorderRivals.com, post: 542527, member: 6416"] Wow. You really twisted some facts to make your point on that one. So, let's breakdown where you went wrong in some of that analysis. (I removed 2005 from analysis because that was pre-TT.) 1. The Packers have been drafting at or near the end of the first round. Makes a huge difference when comparing with the 9ers who only recently have been drafting at or near the end of the first round. For instance, the 9ers draft picks by number: 2013 s Eric Reid (#18 pick) 2012 wr A. J. Jenkins (#30 - not even on team anymore) 2011 lb Aldon Smith (#7) 2010 ot Anthony Davis (#11) (you forgot Iupati #17) 2009 wr Michael Crabtree (#10) 2008 dt Kentwan Balmer (#29) 2007 lb Patrick Willis (#11) 2006 te Vernon Davis (#6) So, the two absolute busts for the 9ers were those picked where the Packers have been picking during this same time frame. The studs they've gotten in the 1st round were all picked #18 or higher. We've picked higher than that only 3 times - Harrell, Hawk, and Raji. 2. You said the Packers have had 2 busts and 4 trending that way. Since you didn't name them, I'm going to venture a guess at the following busts: Harrell (obv.) and Carroll (that was Sherman's draft, so that is irrelevant for our TT bashing). Now to those trending that way, here's my guess at who you are commenting on: Raji??? - That's a ridiculous contention. He was a catalyst to our SB win. Since then he's not lived up to his promise. But, you don't forget about that when analyzing draft bust or not. Bulaga??? - Again, he was a rookie that came in and was a key figure in our SB win. Without him, I don't think we win or get to the SB after Tauscher goes down. And he's been beset with injuries since. When healthy, he's been an above average T. Sherrod - Bust by way of injury. TT has no control over that. Perry - He's not a bust. But he has not lived up to draft status yet. Still only going into his third year and can still break out. Worst case, he's a serviceable player. Not a bust though. Jones - Absolutely ridiculous to call him a bust after one season. 3. Players can break out later in careers. VD was a bust for almost 5 seasons before he finally busted out. So, let's not go off the deep end yet. 4. And you honestly mentioned that Kyle Rudolph was going to be a key reason why the Vikes might turn it around. Really?!?! You cite to the fact he's a Pro Bowler as evidence of this. This is hilarious for so many reasons. One, Rudolph is far from an elite TE. He's a nice player, but nothing more than that. Two, no one cares about the Pro Bowl. With so many dropping out, it's getting less and less of an honor to be named to the PB. Three, the Chiefs had 7 PB last year, yet had the #1 pick. So, having alleged Pro Bowlers doesn't mean team success. 5. It's an inexact science. There are countless busts in each first round. Every team is going to swing a miss, particularly teams drafting in the bottom third almost every year. TT makes up for it with an overall draft that is usually better than average. He's done extremely well in the 2-4th rounds, nabbing the likes of Cobb, Jordy, Lacy, Bak, Sitton, Lang, Finley, Hayward, Daniels... In conclusion, I get your overall point. But, you really, REALLY twisted the facts to make the point, making it very disingenuous as a result. [/QUOTE]
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