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<blockquote data-quote="Bruce" data-source="post: 65264" data-attributes="member: 196"><p><strong><em>That so called "ineptitude" took over a 8 - 8 club, that was in a FAR worse CAP situation and that LeRoy Butler called the <u>softest</u> team he had ever been associated and parlayed it into quite a few very good seasons -- including a 12 -4 season where the kept filling the holes while losing both OT and more total and significant injuries than last season. I truly believe that squad would have won the Super Bowl had they not been wiped out by injuries leading into the playoffs -- but I have never been big on shoulda, woulda or coulda. He also rallied his troops from the abyss and had them within anyone of several plays of going to the NFC Championship game. Neither of those display "ineptitude."</em></strong></p><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p><strong><em>Besides, you didn't wait to pile on Mike Sherman -- you jumped on that ship quite early. But the point of my post has nothing to do with Mike Sherman -- he is gone, history, simply a part of our Packers rich lore.</em></strong> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><strong><em>Nor do you have the background to "pass judgement" on MS, but that does not stop you. Why the sudden humility?</em></strong></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><strong><em>I passed no judgements, I simply offered opinions -- which I am far more than qualified to do</em></strong></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><strong><em>That is ignorant Bull ****! GM are suppose to try and take their teams to the promised land. It is legit to critic Mike Sherman, but the fact remains that they were on quite the downhill slide when Sherman took over and he kept trying to take them to the ultimate goal. It is fair to criticize his decisions, but to ignore his attempts or to compare them unfavorably to sitting with you thumbs up your *** which some could argue Ted Thompson did last season and thus far this off season is a joke. 66 and I tangled in this argument frequently, but at least he had the integrity to try and argue some fact behind his emotional/passionate rants -- here you pick and chose between <u>less than</u> factual assumptions and pretend to speak in an authoritative manner.</em></strong></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><strong><em>Sadly, if I speak to you in 3 more years (a total of 4), I fear that TT will just begin to approach the number of wins that the previous GM achieved in his first year and 1/2</em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em>I was not including the mindless rants of those who know less than nothing about the game of football -- I specifically stated that those who knew the accomplishments of Ron Wolf and Mike Holmgren prior to that trade happening, knew that they were worthy of trusting and believed that they knew what they were doing. Further, those who knew of Brett's ability displayed in college knew that this kid had a rocket arm and was tougher than nails. Granted, there are plenty of folks who don't know better but that was not my comment.</em></strong></p><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p><strong><em>I am not defending Mike Sherman, our EX-coach and GM -- he does not need defending, his record speaks for itself. My post was not about Mike Sherman, he is history. It was about the contradiction of those who feel free to denigrate the legacy of an ex-coach before and after his tenure, while adamantly denying the right to evaluate the current GM's performance.</em></strong></p><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p><strong><em>Your final statement is just plain ignorant. How many successful teams has MM been associated with? How successful was in he in GB when he worked with Favre and he had his worst season on record save last year (when he was playing with arena and NFL-E quality talent surrounding him)? Do you remember that Holmgren led SF's #1 in the league offense to a couple of Super Bowl rings, while M.M. led SF to the worst offense in the league and contention for the top pick in the draft for the 2nd year in a row. Yeah, looks are what it all about. Never mind the success of people like Joe Paterno, Gibbs, Holtz, chuckie... -- it is all about the looks. And you want me to take you seriously?</em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em>Randy Wright was a football player. I never thought he deserved to be a NFL starting QB, but he had the heart to not only make it there, but to go out with inferior talent every Sunday and put it all on the line. Again, with your hypocrisy about who it is OK to ignorantly criticize and who is "untouchable." Classic drivel from someone who hasn't a clue about what it takes to play in the NFL</em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><em> You will have a hard time producing those quotes, regardless I already gave Ted Thompson props as a college talent evaluator -- he has earned it. </em></strong></p><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p><strong><em>Further, I am not blaming anyone. Rather, I am assessing performance as it unfolds. </em></strong></p><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p><strong><em>I want Ted Thompson to succeed, and he very well might, but I do not need to sit on the sidelines and ignore the body of evidence that has been and continues to be developed. I agree that he deserves his shot at success now that he has been hired -- I have never called for his dismissal, nor have I wished him anything but success. But to act as if he had no part in last season's slide would be as ignorant as making him the scapegoat and leveling all of the blame on him. Don't you agree? </em></strong></p><p></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong><strong><em>Why is that a given?</em></strong> Miami and Jacksonville got far more talk from LA than GB in his initial interviews. Further, if GB was offering more money (remember the article says his agent said a team was offering <u>slightly</u> more money than New York) that does not speak well to Ted Thompson's performance as GM. As GM it is his job to sell his squad and instill confidence that he can take FA to the promised land -- something you seem to be saying he continues to fail at doing!</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>Well nice chatting with all of you. This is a week that I want to spend my energy being positive and concentrating on the draft. The Packers are picking at the top of the board (at least for now) in each of the 1st day rounds. I am looking forward to what TT and the front office do with these opportunities. Here is hoping that he parlays them into some solid players who help to return this franchise back where it belongs.</strong></em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bruce, post: 65264, member: 196"] [b][i]That so called "ineptitude" took over a 8 - 8 club, that was in a FAR worse CAP situation and that LeRoy Butler called the [u]softest[/u] team he had ever been associated and parlayed it into quite a few very good seasons -- including a 12 -4 season where the kept filling the holes while losing both OT and more total and significant injuries than last season. I truly believe that squad would have won the Super Bowl had they not been wiped out by injuries leading into the playoffs -- but I have never been big on shoulda, woulda or coulda. He also rallied his troops from the abyss and had them within anyone of several plays of going to the NFC Championship game. Neither of those display "ineptitude." Besides, you didn't wait to pile on Mike Sherman -- you jumped on that ship quite early. But the point of my post has nothing to do with Mike Sherman -- he is gone, history, simply a part of our Packers rich lore.[/i][/b][i][/i] [b][i]Nor do you have the background to "pass judgement" on MS, but that does not stop you. Why the sudden humility?[/i][/b][i][/i] [b][i]I passed no judgements, I simply offered opinions -- which I am far more than qualified to do[/i][/b][i][/i] [b][i]That is ignorant Bull ****! GM are suppose to try and take their teams to the promised land. It is legit to critic Mike Sherman, but the fact remains that they were on quite the downhill slide when Sherman took over and he kept trying to take them to the ultimate goal. It is fair to criticize his decisions, but to ignore his attempts or to compare them unfavorably to sitting with you thumbs up your *** which some could argue Ted Thompson did last season and thus far this off season is a joke. 66 and I tangled in this argument frequently, but at least he had the integrity to try and argue some fact behind his emotional/passionate rants -- here you pick and chose between [u]less than[/u] factual assumptions and pretend to speak in an authoritative manner.[/i][/b][i][/i] [b][i]Sadly, if I speak to you in 3 more years (a total of 4), I fear that TT will just begin to approach the number of wins that the previous GM achieved in his first year and 1/2[/i][/b][i][/i] [b][i]I was not including the mindless rants of those who know less than nothing about the game of football -- I specifically stated that those who knew the accomplishments of Ron Wolf and Mike Holmgren prior to that trade happening, knew that they were worthy of trusting and believed that they knew what they were doing. Further, those who knew of Brett's ability displayed in college knew that this kid had a rocket arm and was tougher than nails. Granted, there are plenty of folks who don't know better but that was not my comment. I am not defending Mike Sherman, our EX-coach and GM -- he does not need defending, his record speaks for itself. My post was not about Mike Sherman, he is history. It was about the contradiction of those who feel free to denigrate the legacy of an ex-coach before and after his tenure, while adamantly denying the right to evaluate the current GM's performance. Your final statement is just plain ignorant. How many successful teams has MM been associated with? How successful was in he in GB when he worked with Favre and he had his worst season on record save last year (when he was playing with arena and NFL-E quality talent surrounding him)? Do you remember that Holmgren led SF's #1 in the league offense to a couple of Super Bowl rings, while M.M. led SF to the worst offense in the league and contention for the top pick in the draft for the 2nd year in a row. Yeah, looks are what it all about. Never mind the success of people like Joe Paterno, Gibbs, Holtz, chuckie... -- it is all about the looks. And you want me to take you seriously?[/i][/b] [b][i]Randy Wright was a football player. I never thought he deserved to be a NFL starting QB, but he had the heart to not only make it there, but to go out with inferior talent every Sunday and put it all on the line. Again, with your hypocrisy about who it is OK to ignorantly criticize and who is "untouchable." Classic drivel from someone who hasn't a clue about what it takes to play in the NFL[/i][/b][i][/i] [b][i] You will have a hard time producing those quotes, regardless I already gave Ted Thompson props as a college talent evaluator -- he has earned it. Further, I am not blaming anyone. Rather, I am assessing performance as it unfolds. I want Ted Thompson to succeed, and he very well might, but I do not need to sit on the sidelines and ignore the body of evidence that has been and continues to be developed. I agree that he deserves his shot at success now that he has been hired -- I have never called for his dismissal, nor have I wished him anything but success. But to act as if he had no part in last season's slide would be as ignorant as making him the scapegoat and leveling all of the blame on him. Don't you agree? [/i][/b][i][/i] [i][b] [b][i]Why is that a given?[/i][/b][i][/i] Miami and Jacksonville got far more talk from LA than GB in his initial interviews. Further, if GB was offering more money (remember the article says his agent said a team was offering [u]slightly[/u] more money than New York) that does not speak well to Ted Thompson's performance as GM. As GM it is his job to sell his squad and instill confidence that he can take FA to the promised land -- something you seem to be saying he continues to fail at doing! Well nice chatting with all of you. This is a week that I want to spend my energy being positive and concentrating on the draft. The Packers are picking at the top of the board (at least for now) in each of the 1st day rounds. I am looking forward to what TT and the front office do with these opportunities. Here is hoping that he parlays them into some solid players who help to return this franchise back where it belongs.[/b][/i] [/QUOTE]
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