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<blockquote data-quote="HardRightEdge" data-source="post: 496492"><p>Washington runs a very effective ZBS, mixes in some nifty pulling plays (which the Packers rarely do), and while they do some cut blocking I haven't noted any of the nasty backside stuff. They ran for a lot of yards last year with a low round RB. The Seahawks run a ZBS; it seems Lynch has taken to it like a duck to water.</p><p> </p><p>We've been using a ZBS since McCarthy came to town. We saw Starks kick a*s down the stretch in 2010. We had Ryan Grant (not exactly Mr. Dynamic) run for 1253/4.4, 1203/3.9 and 956/5.1. Ahman Green had a 1,000 yards in 2006 in MM's first year.</p><p> </p><p>History would suggest the lackluster run game, to put it charitably, in recent years is a matter of personnel. Subbing Starks for Brandon Jackson in 2010 illustrates how night can become day with the right (healthy) runner.</p><p> </p><p>I will concede that even in the years where we've had decent RB productivity our short yardage run game has often left something to be desired. Again, that's a personnel issue or failure to come up with effective short yardage packages. The "bone" (inverted wishbone) met with mixed success but isn't used much anymore. We've used more single back with a big front and some Kuhn in the lead. Kuhn and Starks were pretty effective in 2010, but they're not the same players anymore. In the end, the problems getting one yard mostly boil down to having an RB who can get the job done.</p><p> </p><p>ZBS does allow a team to use cheaper O-Linemen...in terms of draft picks and cap. TT/MM like picking those college OTs who don't grade high for that position in the pros and then moving them inside. I happen to like the approach. It's not like you're getting some guys who are necessarily deficient in all aspects of the game...those ex-OTs have agility and pass pro capability that is perhaps not NFL-sufficient at OT but more than adequate over a smaller amount of turf playing inside.</p><p> </p><p>We have not cheaped out on our OTs, but again they are drafted for pass pro capability first.</p><p> </p><p>In my opinion, the ZBS approach is sound for a pass-dominated offense. Bringing in a road grader for RT, say a guy like Fluker or some lesser player, exposes your franchise QB who plays past the 2.5 second buzzer to potential nastiness. Now, if you want guys who can both grade the road and protect the franchise, we've got Sitton and Bulaga on a good day. Otherwise, those guys are going for $$$$.</p><p> </p><p>Who are you willing to pay and for what? You can't afford everything.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HardRightEdge, post: 496492"] Washington runs a very effective ZBS, mixes in some nifty pulling plays (which the Packers rarely do), and while they do some cut blocking I haven't noted any of the nasty backside stuff. They ran for a lot of yards last year with a low round RB. The Seahawks run a ZBS; it seems Lynch has taken to it like a duck to water. We've been using a ZBS since McCarthy came to town. We saw Starks kick a*s down the stretch in 2010. We had Ryan Grant (not exactly Mr. Dynamic) run for 1253/4.4, 1203/3.9 and 956/5.1. Ahman Green had a 1,000 yards in 2006 in MM's first year. History would suggest the lackluster run game, to put it charitably, in recent years is a matter of personnel. Subbing Starks for Brandon Jackson in 2010 illustrates how night can become day with the right (healthy) runner. I will concede that even in the years where we've had decent RB productivity our short yardage run game has often left something to be desired. Again, that's a personnel issue or failure to come up with effective short yardage packages. The "bone" (inverted wishbone) met with mixed success but isn't used much anymore. We've used more single back with a big front and some Kuhn in the lead. Kuhn and Starks were pretty effective in 2010, but they're not the same players anymore. In the end, the problems getting one yard mostly boil down to having an RB who can get the job done. ZBS does allow a team to use cheaper O-Linemen...in terms of draft picks and cap. TT/MM like picking those college OTs who don't grade high for that position in the pros and then moving them inside. I happen to like the approach. It's not like you're getting some guys who are necessarily deficient in all aspects of the game...those ex-OTs have agility and pass pro capability that is perhaps not NFL-sufficient at OT but more than adequate over a smaller amount of turf playing inside. We have not cheaped out on our OTs, but again they are drafted for pass pro capability first. In my opinion, the ZBS approach is sound for a pass-dominated offense. Bringing in a road grader for RT, say a guy like Fluker or some lesser player, exposes your franchise QB who plays past the 2.5 second buzzer to potential nastiness. Now, if you want guys who can both grade the road and protect the franchise, we've got Sitton and Bulaga on a good day. Otherwise, those guys are going for $$$$. Who are you willing to pay and for what? You can't afford everything. [/QUOTE]
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