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<blockquote data-quote="TJV" data-source="post: 496450" data-attributes="member: 4300"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Thanks for that, HyponGrey. I couldn't find the "Fire Campen" thread but a search for just the word "fire" in a title and got some interesting results. One of the most interesting ones was asking whether or not McCarthy should be fired mid-season. The thread was started in October 2010! <em>Timing is everything! <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/biggrin.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /> </em></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Anyway, here's part of a post I made in the "OL what was it built for" thread: </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><em><span style="color: #000000">As close as I come to hating anything in football it's the zone blocking scheme (ZBS). I agree with HardRightEdge's post on the subject and believe the Packers went "full in" on the system because of 1) Denver's success with it, and 2) the availability of OL who should be able to succeed in the system later in the draft and cheaper to keep, so more money would be available to "skill" positions. </span></em></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><em><span style="color: #000000">The reason I "hated" it is because the version Denver practiced per Alex Gibbs, is dirty IMO. I have no problem with the front side of a ZBS play but on the backside the idea is to cut DL instead of "reach block". That accomplishes two things: It gets the pursuit on the ground and it makes DL worry about injuries to their legs, particularly their knees. At its most effective, DL use their hands to protect their legs rather than to attack OL. I thought it was disgusting when the Broncos used it against the Packers and I didn't like my team using the same technique. More generally, I don't like any technique that can't be practiced against one's own team for fear of injury. </span></em></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><em><span style="color: #000000">Jags was taught the technique by Gibbs (its most noted "current" advocate) and he in turn taught the assistant coaches in Green Bay. When Jags left for Boston College (?) after just one year I was hoping that would be the end of the ZBS - what better time to scrap it? Failing that if they were going to continue using it I thought they should have hired Gibbs himself as a consultant or hire someone better versed in it. No such luck but I do want to mention it was never Campen's idea to go to ZBS - that's not the system he learned and used in the NFL. I don't think he's a great OL coach but the ZBS isn't his fault. Anyway, to their credit I don't think the Packers OL ever bought into the dirty aspect of the ZBS but that makes it less effective. The good news is over time they have moved away from it although it's still part of their playbook, it's not featured dominantly as it once was. </span></em></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TJV, post: 496450, member: 4300"] [FONT=Arial]Thanks for that, HyponGrey. I couldn't find the "Fire Campen" thread but a search for just the word "fire" in a title and got some interesting results. One of the most interesting ones was asking whether or not McCarthy should be fired mid-season. The thread was started in October 2010! [I]Timing is everything! :D [/I][/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Anyway, here's part of a post I made in the "OL what was it built for" thread: [/FONT] [FONT=arial][I][COLOR=#000000]As close as I come to hating anything in football it's the zone blocking scheme (ZBS). I agree with HardRightEdge's post on the subject and believe the Packers went "full in" on the system because of 1) Denver's success with it, and 2) the availability of OL who should be able to succeed in the system later in the draft and cheaper to keep, so more money would be available to "skill" positions. [/COLOR][/I][/FONT] [FONT=arial][I][COLOR=#000000]The reason I "hated" it is because the version Denver practiced per Alex Gibbs, is dirty IMO. I have no problem with the front side of a ZBS play but on the backside the idea is to cut DL instead of "reach block". That accomplishes two things: It gets the pursuit on the ground and it makes DL worry about injuries to their legs, particularly their knees. At its most effective, DL use their hands to protect their legs rather than to attack OL. I thought it was disgusting when the Broncos used it against the Packers and I didn't like my team using the same technique. More generally, I don't like any technique that can't be practiced against one's own team for fear of injury. [/COLOR][/I][/FONT] [FONT=arial][I][COLOR=#000000]Jags was taught the technique by Gibbs (its most noted "current" advocate) and he in turn taught the assistant coaches in Green Bay. When Jags left for Boston College (?) after just one year I was hoping that would be the end of the ZBS - what better time to scrap it? Failing that if they were going to continue using it I thought they should have hired Gibbs himself as a consultant or hire someone better versed in it. No such luck but I do want to mention it was never Campen's idea to go to ZBS - that's not the system he learned and used in the NFL. I don't think he's a great OL coach but the ZBS isn't his fault. Anyway, to their credit I don't think the Packers OL ever bought into the dirty aspect of the ZBS but that makes it less effective. The good news is over time they have moved away from it although it's still part of their playbook, it's not featured dominantly as it once was. [/COLOR][/I][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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