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  1. Bruce

    Bruce Cheesehead

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    #1.) A linebacker ~~ [​IMG]

    Will Witherspoon brings serious speed and explosiveness to the linebacker position. Will is only 25 years old, and has been a star on a top notch defense each season -- and unlike Arrington and Peterson, still has his best football in front of him. Witherspoon flies on the football field and uses his superior speed to get as to the football -- whether in coverage or going after the QB. Saunders system is a perfect fit to his talents. He should be at the top of Ted Thompson's list.

    #2.) A DE ~~ [​IMG]

    Aaron Kampman, yes, our very own blue-collar Iowa boy, who has earned every penny (plus) he has ever received. He works to get better in the offseason or in practice, and his motor never quits once on the field. Accordingly, Aaron has improved every single season so there is no reason not to expect him to be even better next season. The Pack cannot afford to give up his 105 tackles and 6½ sacks -- despite what unappreciative fans may think. T.T. needs to come up with a solution to whatever impasse has negotiations stuck before he hits the market and a bidding war begins.

    #3.) A DT ~~ [​IMG]

    They need a wide-bodied archor to take the place of Grady Jackson -- who likely has eaten and deluded himself out of GB. My favorite guy who is slated to hit the market (fingers crossed) is Maake Kemoeatu. Maake eats up blockers and spits them out, which would allow Barnett and Witherspoon (fingers crossed on other hand) to explode to the football. 350-pound plus wide-bodied anchors with upside are not easy to find, this is one I would love to see in Green and Gold. On the other hand, he may be too expensive.

    If we have to go to Plan B my preference would be to theb change directions and go for the short term solution ~~ [​IMG]

    My guy if we go this route is old Sam Adams. Sam could rotate with an improving Colin Coles and still net you 3 - 5 sacks while giving us a guy who eats up blockers -- see above. I think he may be obtainable at a premium because of his age -- but make no mistake, he is an instant upgrade over Jackson for the Packers.

    On the other side of the ball:

    #1.) A WR ~~ [​IMG] sorry it was hard enough to print one in a Viking helmet -- l couldn't in a uniform

    Koren Robinson has rehabilitated his career from the brink of severe alcoholism and being cut by the Seahawks to a Pro Bowl spot as a kickoff return specialist. He has the talent to contibute as a wide receiver who can stretch the field and put fear in any CB who has to take him one on one. Any deal for Koren needs to be structured in such a way to keep the Vikings from matching (thanks Wolf you were right, I checked it out and it was part of last year's deal he signed). If you have ever talked to this kid you would know that he sees his "recovery as saving his life."

    I also think the Pack needs to selectively sign a decent young Offensive Guard with talent and upside -- not one of the overpriced top-tier guys -- but one in the next tier. Yes, Thompson missed with Klemm, but it was the right idea -- every GM misses sometimes.
     
  2. tromadz

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    way to toot your own horn!

    but i agree. id rather see a safety\CB instead of a linebacker and Dt though...
     
  3. ahaug82

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    It would be soooo awesome if TT signed Witherspoon. Barnett, Witherspoon, and probably a LB taken in the 2nd round (maybe A.J. Hawk if Super Mario isn't available at #5) would make a great starting LB core for years to come.

    We really need a WR now that Walker is throwing his annual hissy fit. I would like to see TT sign David Givens. I'm pretty sure he's available this year. Koren Robinson would be nice too.
     
  4. route25

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    Bruce,

    I think your choices at DT if Grady leaves are good. However, I think there is a good chance Grady will be back. With Ted Washington and Sam Adams both released to free agency, Grady will have to realize that the market for overweight DT's isn't what he thought it was.
     
  5. calicheesehead

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    How's about we keep Grady and bring in Kemoeatu. Now our LB's will be totally free to make plays. GB can initalize the black and blue division by themselves!!!!
     
  6. Robin Yount

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    Koren Robinson just resigned with the Queens.
     
  7. Bruce

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    Yeah, I actually heard that late last night. Too bad because I consider the WR FA pool to be pretty weak. Now with Walker acting the fool it becomes a priority that may need to shift to the draft.

    tromadz -- I was not tooting any horn, rather sharing something I had written and posted elsewhere -- and forgot to put here, despite intending to.

    I don't need to post here, just putting out my targets and hoping that the Packers upgrade where their greatest needs are -- IMO they are where I named and those are the best players to fill those needs.

    So at this point we are 1 done and 1 lost. On the good news front, word has it that Maake Kemoeatu is scheduled for a visit next week. Pickett is coming in on Sunday -- but he is not the Big Body type I hope we land.

    BTW: I cannot remember who in this thread mentioned it, but I agree that the free agent NT/DT pool improved significantly over the last week.
     
  8. Bruce

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    Will Witherspoon is a Ram,
    Maake Kemoeatu is a Panther,
    Koren Robinson stayed a Viking.

    I'll still take a Sam Adams and hope that Ted Thompson does something more than Manuel -- who is a Little, Freeman quality signing.
     
  9. HatestheEagles084

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    Manuel is a jobber who gets a boost because of the exposure that seattle got this postseason...he's good but not great, I think his advantage over Roman is his run defending ability, and that's about it, Chris Hope was someone who could've given us a secondary to be excited about

    Kemoatu and Gerard Warren were my picks for the d-line...they're both off the market

    Will Witherspoon was up there for my LB's, forget that

    As for what's left, Ryan Pickett is essential...i've read reports saying that we're in talks with Grady, god I hope not for a lot of money, I'd like our DT depth if we were to get those two guys

    our linebacking core SUCKS, i dont feel like mincing words at this point...Derek Smith, Ronald McKinnon, others, even Julian Peterson if we feel like spending money (so, cross him off the list)--maybe TT has us taking AJ Hawk in April

    and what about the center situation, Mike Flanagan is talking to other teams...There are other guys out there at center, Hartwig, McCollum, Trey Teague...unless Ted is gonna be one of these guys who pushes his own draft picks and will start Junius Coston at center next year. And be gunned down in the Lambeau parking lot.

    Wide Reciever, we cut Chatman, aren't having talks with Rod Gardner, and a disgruntled Javon Walker. McCarthy likes big, athletic wide outs, go get Antonio Bryant
     
  10. SuperRat

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    Manuel is a solid signing. He is better than Roman and only 26. From what I've been reading Hope is not very good. Awful tackler. It would be nice for the Packers to be a bit more active but it's a good thing they aren't throwing money at mediocre players or giving away 13 million in cap room for one player, like the Vikings.
     
  11. Bruce

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    Marquand Manuel Vs Mark Roman

    They were both in Cincinnati in 2002 and 2003 -- so let's look at what happened:

    Both played but Roman beat Manuel out for the starting job once Marvin Lewis arrived in 2003. Marquand Manuel was eventually released – Cincinnati (when they were awful) cut him for God's sake!

    For their careers

    Manuel has 147 Total Tackles, 113 solo, 34 assists,0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 5 passes defended
    Roman has 332 Total Tackles, 360 solo, 72 assists, 6 sacks, 4 interceptions, 24 passes defended

    Last season alone:

    Manuel has 71 Total Tackles, 58 solo, 13 assists, 0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 2 passes defended
    Roman has 90 Total Tackles, 70 solo, 20 assists, 0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 6 passes defended

    To RECAP – Marquand Manuel has never had an interception (0), and for his career he has 5 passes defended (pathetic numbers by any count) Vs
    Roman who had more interceptions and passes defended in this last season alone than Manuel has had in his career - 2 interceptions and 6 passes defended in 2005 alone and 4 and 24 for Roman's career.

    BTW I have praised Ted Thompson a good deal lately, but there is nothing to praise in this signing.
     
  12. tromadz

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    Im just jokin with ya, baby.


    Can you really compare roman and manuel though? Same position, yeah, but the schemes are completely different. Its entirely possible if Manuel were in a GB-type scheme and in position to make the tackles roman was, he would have.

    (also, how many tackles did roman get cuz of guys getting by KGB and robert thomas? tackles by default..)

    just my opinion.

    I am curious on manuel myself. I will declare him 'good till proven ******'
     
  13. Bruce

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    No interceptions and only 5 passes defended in his career. The guy could not cover Antonio Freeman today if Freeman wore snow boots and told him the play. :wink:
     
  14. tromadz

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    yet you havent seen him play one snap. good call.

    (or you might have watched a seattle playoff game\superbowl but you probably werent paying attention to the safeties..who does..theyre never even on camera unless its thrown by em)
     
  15. Bruce

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    That is just a tad bit of projection there my friend. Perhaps you only watch Packer football and only pay attention to where the ball goes -- but that is not true of everyone.

    Further, as you might be able to figure out, some of us like to break down playing time, production, measurables when assessing a players ability.

    Others like to trust their emotional reactions -- which is cool, but should not be attributed to everyone.
     
  16. tromadz

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    apparently you get the coaches tape (from high up where it shows everyone, because normal tv only shows the qb[if he has the ball] or the rb\wr[who has the ball]). my bad, bro, i didnt know you get those. Where do you get that, I would like to see it myself, so I can see all the other stuff Carroll screws up. :)
     
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    Bruce....you are including facts in a discussion with ttrom? C'mon if TT signed him he is a superstar. Just because trom has never heard of the guy until TT signed him, means you have never seen him. And whichever one of you that thinks manuel is better than Hope....please don't post again!
     
  18. Greg C.

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    I'm not impressed with the Manuel signing either. If he's any better than Roman, it's not by much.

    The statistical comparison misses the point, however. Manuel is a late bloomer who didn't even start until this past season. I don't even think he was drafted. Roman, on the other hand, was a second round pick so he had the skills to get playing time as soon as he came into the league. So of course he has much bigger numbers. Not that numbers mean a whole lot for safeties anyway.
     
  19. tromadz

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    worst.post.ever.
     
  20. gopackgo4

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    Yeh thats what we should do but I would like to draft a WR not pick up an aging FA
     

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