Worse break up, Favre and the Pack? Or Lebron and the Cavs?

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If it was about winning then why did he "retire" in March of 08? Why would a guy want to leave a team that just weeks ago played in the NFC Championship game? I suspect he had his heart set on playing in Minneapolis all along. He just took a one year detour in NY.

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That's a good point and something I've thought about myself. It seemed to me, however, that he was playing the "will he or won't he" game every offseason since that horrific 4-12 fiasco. In fact, doing a quick google search has brought me to this website:

Timeline: Brett Favre's retirement drama since 2006 - USATODAY.com

I'm not sure how accurate it is. Feel free to point out anything that isn't correct. Interestingly enough, as I read it, he predicts exactly what is going to happen on Sept. 3 2006. (third bulletin point). I don't know whether to laugh at that, call him the Nostradamus of football, or cry because you may be right. Still, in my mind, it seems as if he is simply THAT indecisive. We beat Minnesota TWICE in 2007. What would be so attractive that we wouldn't have here, beside subservient management? :Heristical:

I still remember seeing his "retirement" from Green Bay. The guy looked absolutely sincere. Once again, if it was his plan at that time to go to Minnesota all along...he deserves an Oscar or something.

Just for clarification, I'm no longer a big Favre fan. I don't hate him as a lot of Packer fans do, but now I can see he's definitely a dang diva. The thing is, I literally grew up watching the guy play! He's still fun to watch on the field. I don't necessarily root against him...UNLESS he is playing the Green and Gold. :duel:

Oh, one more thing, I ultimately agree with you: :viksux:
 

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I'm not so sure that he didn't want to play specifically with our team any more and wanted so badly to go to Minnesota. 2007 was an AMAZING season. We were one play away from another Superbowl. It doesn't make sense that he felt the need to go to another team. Also, I remember the interview where he retired vividly...I don't think he was making that up. I believe Brett, at least AT THAT TIME, felt he was truly done with the game of football. The heartbreak of how it ended, the thought of having to go through the grind of another season, the possibility that he may never get that close again, his body not being able to hold, and etcetera, all factored into his decision...as he stated.

Obviously, we've learned that he can continue to play. We've learned that he wants to still play. Even with this bs charade going on now in Minn, everyone is aware that he'll be back. I'm not trying to defend Favre. I've come to accept the fact that he is truly a primadonna, BUT, it truly doesn't seem like he had some master plan to go to the Vikings all along. The logic doesn't add up. Plus, this is Favre, who can't decide when to bend down and tie his shoelaces or take another couple of steps first. :icon_cool:


I guess your reply here leads me to ask exactly what favre needs to do before you would come to the conclusion that he is (1) insincere and (2) all about BrINT??

Exactly what height of misdeeds does he need to reach before you actually doubt his PR scheme?
 

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That's a good point and something I've thought about myself. It seemed to me, however, that he was playing the "will he or won't he" game every offseason since that horrific 4-12 fiasco. In fact, doing a quick google search has brought me to this website:

Timeline: Brett Favre's retirement drama since 2006 - USATODAY.com

I'm not sure how accurate it is. Feel free to point out anything that isn't correct. Interestingly enough, as I read it, he predicts exactly what is going to happen on Sept. 3 2006. (third bulletin point). I don't know whether to laugh at that, call him the Nostradamus of football, or cry because you may be right. Still, in my mind, it seems as if he is simply THAT indecisive. We beat Minnesota TWICE in 2007. What would be so attractive that we wouldn't have here, beside subservient management? :Heristical:

I still remember seeing his "retirement" from Green Bay. The guy looked absolutely sincere. Once again, if it was his plan at that time to go to Minnesota all along...he deserves an Oscar or something.

Just for clarification, I'm no longer a big Favre fan. I don't hate him as a lot of Packer fans do, but now I can see he's definitely a dang diva. The thing is, I literally grew up watching the guy play! He's still fun to watch on the field. I don't necessarily root against him...UNLESS he is playing the Green and Gold. :duel:

Oh, one more thing, I ultimately agree with you: :viksux:
Like the article says, Favre told the reason for the whole retire-nonretire thing in that HBO interview in 06. The organization was rebuilding, and Favre wanted them to commit to him, to focus all their effort to build a team to win while he was still with the team, whatever the cost.

That's the reason he left.
 

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Like the article says, Favre told the reason for the whole retire-nonretire thing in that HBO interview in 06. The organization was rebuilding, and Favre wanted them to commit to him, to focus all their effort to build a team to win while he was still with the team, whatever the cost.

That's the reason he left.

Horse hockey. :nhl2: He left just a couple of weeks after the team played in the stinkin' NFC Championship game, for pity's sake! To me, that is a winning team. And after a year of adjustment with Rodgers the team was back in the playoffs in 2009 and is one of the favorites in 2010. :happy0005:
 

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I guess your reply here leads me to ask exactly what favre needs to do before you would come to the conclusion that he is (1) insincere and (2) all about BrINT??

Exactly what height of misdeeds does he need to reach before you actually doubt his PR scheme?


For (1), I guess I'd have to see more evidence about the idea that he planned to go to Minnesota all along. For (2), no need for him to do anything more, I definitely know he's all about himself.
 

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I agree with Pugger's comments of July 12th that the 2 situations are different. Lebron wasn't FORCED out of Cleveland by a GM who thought he had a 'bigger younger better player at his position'. No Lebron just straight up left.

Everyone here chastises Favre for wanting to prove Ted Thompson wrong and prove he can still play yet...Lebron who straight out left a la another of our legendary heroes...Vince Lombardi *Read up on your history about the Bengston situation before you bash me* is a great guy who made a smart business move to win a championship. Man when did Packer fans become idiots. Maybe I SHOULD become a Vikings fan...somebody did something to the water in Packer nation...glad I don't drink water.
 

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Fact is Favre played for the Jets to out-smart Thompson. He basically got Thompson Mr. Intelligent Businessman to trade him to Minnesota for what...a 3rd round pick...and it didn't even come out of Minnesota's pocket...and they call FAVRE a stupid hick! Anybody who didn't see Favre asking the Jets for his release so he could sign with the Vikings is either Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, or Ronnie Milsap. He wanted to shove it down the throat of Ted Thompson and Ted Thompson only...POSSIBLY Aaron Rodgers as well, who knows about Aaron though...and what did he do twice last year...just that!

If Brett would've gone to and won the superbowl, we would've seen him do an interview along the lines of Molitor when he won the World Series with Toronto...that's really all Favre wants...retribution against the team that forced him out. This isn't personal against us fans at least not with Favre. This is personal against us fans with Ted Thompson and Ted Thompson ONLY.
 

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That's a good point and something I've thought about myself. It seemed to me, however, that he was playing the "will he or won't he" game every offseason since that horrific 4-12 fiasco. In fact, doing a quick google search has brought me to this website:

Timeline: Brett Favre's retirement drama since 2006 - USATODAY.com

I'm not sure how accurate it is. Feel free to point out anything that isn't correct. Interestingly enough, as I read it, he predicts exactly what is going to happen on Sept. 3 2006. (third bulletin point). I don't know whether to laugh at that, call him the Nostradamus of football, or cry because you may be right. Still, in my mind, it seems as if he is simply THAT indecisive. We beat Minnesota TWICE in 2007. What would be so attractive that we wouldn't have here, beside subservient management? :Heristical:

I still remember seeing his "retirement" from Green Bay. The guy looked absolutely sincere. Once again, if it was his plan at that time to go to Minnesota all along...he deserves an Oscar or something.

Just for clarification, I'm no longer a big Favre fan. I don't hate him as a lot of Packer fans do, but now I can see he's definitely a dang diva. The thing is, I literally grew up watching the guy play! He's still fun to watch on the field. I don't necessarily root against him...UNLESS he is playing the Green and Gold. :duel:

Oh, one more thing, I ultimately agree with you: :viksux:

I posted a "rebuttal" to the time line

http://www.packerforum.com/packer-fan-forum/17710-time-line-explained-brett.html

Those that post on Brett forum might recall this it was posted by Bretts business partner and the man that ran the forum and the online store..When specifically asked was it his thoughts on the whole timeline,this person said no..That he got it right from the horses mouth...Which meant right from Brett..

This guy was not disputing anything the Packers said/did in THIS time line...So that means to me that the Packers did want him back, just didnt want to have to wait till August to hear it

Funny thing, few days later this person took this down, but I did save it..

The italicized/bolded parts is what Brett supposedly said




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Jan. 20, 2008 - The Packers lose in overtime to the New York Giants in the NFC Championship Game. Both Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy speak briefly to Favre before he returns home to Hattiesburg, Miss.No deadline is indicated on when Favre needs to make a decision on whether to return 4 the 2008 season.

* Jan. 30 - McCarthy and Favre are both at the Super Bowl media center in Phoenix to collect post-season awards and spent about an hour chatting. The two talk again when McCarthy is at the Pro Bowl in Honolulu and later when McCarthy returns home. Again, no deadline is provided on when Favre needs to make a decision on whether to return 4 the 2008 season, but Favre starts feeling pressured during these conversations to make a decision in the near future despite his deliberative nature.

* Feb. 22 - Sometime during the scouting combine Thompson calls Favre 4 the first time since the end of the season because he had heard reports that the quarterback was mad he hadn't called him, but not 4 the reason that he wants to strongly encourage Favre to return 4 the 2008 season. "I called him and he said, 'Well I don't know where you're getting that from, because that's not true.'" Thompson said he reassured Favre he was wanted back and told him McCarthy would be the one communicating with him most often but didn't indicate that he wouldn't be communicating with Favre in any manner whatsoever about his decision whether or not to return. A deadline 4 making a decision is not provided, but Favre is strongly encouraged to make his decision by the end of February . . . merely one week later. Favre is suspicious of the very existence of a deadline, as Thompson is aware that Favre is very deliberative in making such an important decision that affects his entire family and the Packer organization. Favre is suspicious that the deadline is being imposed as an ulterior motive 4 encouraging retirement.

* Feb. 25 - McCarthy calls Favre on trip back from combine and discusses how he might be able to lesson the quarterback's load and whether Favre can commit 100%, with it becoming more and more apparent that the Packers needed a decision sooner rather than later, despite not having provided a formal deadline in previous discussions. Again, Favre believes that Thompson and McCarthy remember that Favre has not been able to commit 100% at such an early date in previous years, fueling his speculation that the imposition of the deadline (despite Thompson's assurances to the media and public that no such deadline exists) is a method 4 encouraging his retirement.

* Feb. 29 - Favre calls McCarthy and tells him if he had to make a decision now, he would retire, after being pressed 4 a decision by the end of February. McCarthy tells him to think about it over the weekend and both Thompson and McCarthy, despite Favre explicitly telling McCarthy that being forced to make a decision now will lead to retirement, think Favre will play. "Mike talked to him about, 'Well, what if we change (reduce) some reps or off-season things' and things like that and he was pretty sure that he wanted to retire." Favre reiterates that if a decision needs to be made by the end of February, he will retire. Nothing is said by McCarthy that indicates that Favre has time beyond March 1st to make his decision. Packers President, Mark Murphy, at a public speaking function, indicates that Favre will announce his decision to return by the end of February.. Such announcement lends further credence to Favre's belief that the organization is pushing 4 an early decision because they know what that decision must be.

* March 3 - Favre calls McCarthy at a function in Austin, Texas, and tells him he's retiring, consistent with the conversation held on February 29th. McCarthy asked if he needed more time and he said no, as Favre believes that - absent any communication from Ted Thompson since February 22nd - the Packers need an immediate decision.. Favre tells him he can't commit 100% at this time. McCarthy flies back to Green Bay.

* March 4 - Thompson, McCarthy and public relations director Jeff Blumb are in Thompson's office and Blumb reaches Favre on his cell phone. "Jeff spoke 4 a few minutes and then I talked to Brett 4 I don't know, 20 minutes, 15 minutes, something like that. We got to the point where he wanted to go ahead and make the announcement here and then I think Jeff got back on the phone and then they worked it out that he would come up here and do the press conference." Favre reiterates during the conversation that, since the decision has to be made now, he is not ready at this time to commit to playing in 2008. Favre's reluctance to commit 100% at the beginning of March is consistent with prior years in which Favre simply needed more time to recover from the stress of the prior season. Favre is not encouraged by Ted Thompson to take more time before making a rash decision.

* March 6 - Favre conducts retirement press conference, convinced by the acquiescence of Ted Thompson to the pending announcement that Ted Thompson and the organization are looking to move on without him.

* Week of March 24 - Offensive line coach James Campen, who is visiting Louisiana, stops in to see Favre at his Mississippi home and is asked by Favre whether he thinks the Packers would take him back. Favre confides in Campen that, not unexpectedly, he might be interested in playing in 2008 given more time to make his decision.Thompson does not communicate directly with Favre, consistent with earlier modes of communication. Thompson's lack of communication is construed by Favre to be a lukewarm response, at best, to Favre's possible reconsideration. Campen reports the conversation to McCarthy and Thompson. McCarthy calls Favre and hears the same things Campen did.




THIS IS THE PLANE GOING TO GET HIM THAT EVERYONE SEEMS TO THINK NEVER HAPPENED


* March 27 - Thompson and McCarthy decide they would be fine with but don't seem at all excited about Favre returning even though Aaron Rodgers is set to begin off-season workouts as the starter, and they inform Favre. "Mike said, 'Ted and I talked and we said, fine.' But we'd like to come see you, and Brett was kind of excited [in their opinion]that we were coming to see him." Favre once again gets the impression that his return would be more of a distraction than a blessing, given the lukewarm response of Ted Thompson, and is once again given the impression that there is a hard and fast deadline 4 making a 100% commitment; namely, the tentatively scheduled meeting. In preparation to leave 4 the owners meetings in West Palm Beach, March 30-April 3, they arrange to meet with Favre and wife, Deanna.



* March 29 - McCarthy makes plans to fly to Hattiesburg on April 1 to make plans 4 Favre's return. McCarthy is leaving 4 evening Mass when Favre calls to inform him he has changed his mind, as Favre still is 100% unable to fully commit to a return, which is apparently what the Packers are expecting at the scheduled meeting. "We were all set 4 them, but Brett called back and that he and Deanna had a long talk about it and they were going to stick with their original decision." Nothing is communicated to Favre indicating that Favre should take a week or two to formulate a final decision, and his decision to remain retired is not questioned by Thompson. The NFL draft is still weeks away.

* May 6 - Thompson is down South and decides to pay a visit to Favre at his home, ironically after Favre has retired. Favre believes that the only reason Thompson would go out of his way to visit Favre is to finally encourage Favre's return 4 the 2008 season. Favre is encouraged before the visit that Thompson might finally be providing him some latitude on the timing of his decision, and Favre is ready to return upon simply being asked to do so by Thompson. "I called him and said I am thinking about seeing you, I don't have any agenda or anything. So I did, I went and visited. Had lunch sat out on the veranda. We had a long talk and good talk. Nothing really came up other than like with any retired player, you could tell there were a few things that he would throw in there; 'there might be some doubts, I may change my mind,' or something like that. And that was that." Amazingly, Thompson doesn't bring up the subject. Favre is stunned that Thompson went out of his way to visit Favre without encouraging Favre to return to the Packers, as there would be no other reason 4 such a visit so soon after the discussions in late March. Favre's belief that the Packers have moved on without him, and were lukewarm to his return ever since the end of the season, is once again validated.

* June 8 - Campen goes to Favre's home and has a long talk with Favre and leaves feeling Favre wants to return as Favre feels the need to communicate this decision to the Packers. Thompson does not communicate with Favre, despite being informed by Campen of the conversation.

* June 20 -- Favre calls McCarthy and the two have a 45-minute conversation in which Favre tells him he might want to play again... as Favre feels the need to communicate his feeling directly to the head coach, who he believes may still be supportive of Favre's return notwithstanding Thompson's obvious opposition to such return. "There was more wondering, you know, what ifs." Thompson does not communicate with Favre, despite being informed by McCarthy of the conversation. McCarthy and Thompson go on vacation 4 the July 4th weekend. Favre becomes increasingly frustrated as Thompson once again does not respond to his inquiries, further validating his belief that Thompson is opposed to his return.

* July 4 - Thompson receives a text message from Favre the morning of Saturday, July 5th, desperate to communicate his desire to return and Thompson sends a message back hours later at about 8 p.m. back telling him he's traveling and can they talk on Monday? " Not surprisingly, Favre believes that Thompson is opposed to his return. By Monday I hadn't heard back from him, as Thompson did not take the initiative to call Favre per Favre's request two days earlier. I sent him back a text saying, 'Haven't heard from ya, hope you're getting these messages, can we talk Tuesday at noon?' He got back to me and said 'OK,' that it would be better sooner, but I was kind of doing some other things so we set up a conference call." Thompson's continued lack of urgency, despite obviously knowing what Favre wanted to discuss, convinces Favre that Thompson is steadfastly opposed to Favre's return in 2008.

* July 8 - Favre and his agent, James (Bus) Cook ask Thompson 4 Favre's release during the conference call in which Favre's continuing impressions that the Packers no longer want him are directly validated. It's understood Favre won't be the starter in Green Bay. "There were, I think, conversations with Mike where both parties acknowledged that time had gone by and the Packers had been asked to move on, or move forward, or whatever. That's what they were thinking there (about asking 4 his release)." Thompson's true feelings, that the Packers would be better off without Favre as quarterback, are unequivocally communicated 4 the first time, confirming suspicions that Favre had 4 many months.

* July 11 - Thompson receives a letter from Favre and Cook formally asking 4 Favre to be released.

Favre is convinced by now that Thompson no longer wants him to be a member of the 2008 Green Bay Packers, and Favre believes that a release is in the best interests of both Favre and the Packers. Favre does not want the continued media frenzy surrounding the situation to affect the Packers and Aaron Rodgers. Favre does, however, want to play in the 2008 NFL season as he repeatedly tried to convey to the Packers. Favre believes that the Packers will be willing to release him given Favre's contributions to the organization 4 the past seventeen years.
 

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Fact is Favre played for the Jets to out-smart Thompson. He basically got Thompson Mr. Intelligent Businessman to trade him to Minnesota for what...a 3rd round pick...and it didn't even come out of Minnesota's pocket...and they call FAVRE a stupid hick! Anybody who didn't see Favre asking the Jets for his release so he could sign with the Vikings is either Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, or Ronnie Milsap. He wanted to shove it down the throat of Ted Thompson and Ted Thompson only...POSSIBLY Aaron Rodgers as well, who knows about Aaron though...and what did he do twice last year...just that!

If Brett would've gone to and won the superbowl, we would've seen him do an interview along the lines of Molitor when he won the World Series with Toronto...that's really all Favre wants...retribution against the team that forced him out. This isn't personal against us fans at least not with Favre. This is personal against us fans with Ted Thompson and Ted Thompson ONLY.

Why do you try to convince people to things they dont want to hear?

Give it up..EVERY post you make is a broken record
 
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Brett didnt play hard since the 90s in GB. He got lazy. Goes to MN and puts up great numbers just proves it. He is motivated by revenge for a situation he caused. After the NFC championship against the Giants Favre went back and forth so many times with the packers they really had no choice. In his head he thought he ran the team, what a tool.
 

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I just don't want Packer Nation to be ignorant anymore!

All of this stuff is nonsense cuz NONE OF US REALLY KNOWS WHAT WENT DOWN. We can all make educated guesses but that's all they are - guesses. Unless you have audio/video tape and/or tapped their phones you don't know anything more than the rest of us do.

My guess? I suspect #4 wanted out of Green Bay because it is the only plausible explaination I can think of. What player would want to leave a team that just weeks before was playing for a Super Bowl berth? What GM/HC would want to boot a future HOF QB that is still playing at a high level? And if Favre felt pressured to make up his mind because the Packers wanted to know his plans before the draft, is that an unreasonable request? If all Favre wanted to do was play why did he sit on his...hands and not file for reinstatement instead of *****footing around and going on national TV crying to Greta? None of Favre's actions make any sense unless he was trying to force his way out of town by creating a PR nighmare for GB.

I hope someday both MM and Favre write a tell-all book! Until then all we have is conjecture.
 

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If all Favre wanted to do was play why did he sit on his...hands and not file for reinstatement instead of *****footing around and going on national TV crying to Greta? None of Favre's actions make any sense unless he was trying to force his way out of town by creating a PR nighmare for GB.

I hope someday both MM and Favre write a tell-all book! Until then all we have is conjecture.

I actually have thought that before..

Another possible reason on why he said " maybe they dont know how to tell Brett Favre he is no longer needed" a few years before he retired..He wanted out then but didnt know how to go about asking them to release or trade

Wasnt it in 06? there were rumors he wanted to be traded? But right away it was put to rest.
 

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