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Wolf is calling out Holmgren for the SB loss?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by longtimefan, Feb 1, 2008.

  1. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Emotions still run VERY deep on tha SB loss

    Read this entire thing..You will be shocked and be left with mouth open..I know I was.

     
  2. arrowgargantuan

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    that really grinds my geayahs..
     
  3. cheesey

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    I heard from one of the former Packers, that Holgren was too stubborn, that many of the players made suggestions, and he ignored them. Maybe had he listened, we would have won that game.
    Oh well......nothing we can do about it now.
     
  4. Greg C.

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    Wow, that was thoroughly depressing. But I couldn't stop reading it.
     
  5. cheesey

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    Yeah....it was.
    Just shows you that sometimes power can go to someone's head.
     
  6. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Yeah i heard same things, but some of the stuff out NOw is just crazy..
     
  7. Zombieslayer

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    I think Mark Chmura's words were the ones that stung the most:

    and

    Plus, Levens was right. Why didn't we run more? They couldn't stop Levens. I remember several people saying that we should have run the ball down their throats.

    I'm still bitter about that game because of several reasons. One is I hate Elway with a passion. The other is we should have won that game. I remember watching it and thinking Holmgren was lost. He called a lot of plays that just seemed stupid to me.

    We should have 4 SB rings. I put the blame on the loss on Holmgren.

    MM is a much better Coach by the way. He knows how to make the most of what he has. Holmgren brought in a superior team and lost. He couldn't make halftime adjustments to save his life that game.
     
  8. longtimefan

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    Or was it he REFUSED to? As Butler said they sat and drank kool aid
     
  9. Zombieslayer

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    True. Butler pretty much said he screamed at the team while they drank kool aid. That isn't making adjustments. I like MM better.
     
  10. cheesey

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    I think you are right LT.....he knew what he had to do, but was too stubborn to do it.
    The whole running game thing........thats what i heard. I heard that we could have run the ball down their throats, and the RB's were telling "Chumley" that, but he wouldn't listen to anyone. HE was in charge, and HE blew the game.
     
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    Not like that's anything new... Mike has always been about control


    But, if you're going to take the bulk of decision and control of the game, then you should take the bulk of the blame and responsibility for the loss, I'm not sure if that has ever been the case
     
  12. Zombieslayer

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    See, that's exactly what I like about MM. He'll make adjustments. If something isn't working, he'll try to tweek it to make it work.

    I honestly think if MM was coaching that team with that talent, we beat the Broncos by double digits.
     
  13. NDPackerFan

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    I think MM has shown the ability to adjust...I guess my question is why didn't we make any adjustments against the Giants? I don't recall much more than a couple blitzes. Manning had all day to throw.

    On another note and more related to this thread, when I got Dorsey Levens autograph at the pro shop, I shook his hand and told him that we'd have two SB's in the 90's if Holmgren would have just given him the ball more in the second half. He looked at me, smiled, and said, "I know".
     
  14. Zombieslayer

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    We did do some adjustments. Coughlin countered them successfully.

    Funny story about Levens. I know he knows.
     
  15. PackOne

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    I might have to bump down Sherman a notch on the "coaches I hate the most" list.
     
  16. NDPackerFan

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    What adjustments did we make defensively against the Giants?
     
  17. Fuzznuts

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    Dorsey Levens is my favorite Packer ever....

    (Yes...even more than Majik and Brett.....and Scott Hunter!)

    The man was grace in motion....

    (I don't recall seeing any adjustments against the Giants..!)
     
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    That doesn't surprise me, yet we're the Madden guys who don't know anything about football.

    You need auditing.
     
  19. Murgen

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    You know, I always felt Homlgren blew that SB game and never really had a lot of confidence with him after that.

    I agree that loss hurt bad. Broncos after watching the game again looked excited and explosive. GB looked flat and tired except for Antionio who was getting the hell beat out of him on every catch. Holmgren coached teams for some reason never play with a lot of fire and look bored out there.
     
  20. Fuzznuts

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    That's because there WEREN'T any adjustments...

    (My God...I didn't think I had to explain EVERYTHING!)
    :doh:
     
  21. billv

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    Plus Holmgren saying that Super Bowl week that he may leave Green Bay (he did a year later), didn't help the team's morale either.
     
  22. Zombieslayer

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    Defensively?

    I didn't see any. I only saw some offensive adjustments, and they weren't successful. But this is MM's 2nd year, and he's 13-3. There's a very good chance we could win the big one in MM's 3rd year.

    MM's still learning. Holmgren was already an experience HC by '97 and should have known better.
     
  23. tromadz

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    The only adjustment MM SHOULD have made was to replace Al Harris with anyone. Put a bikini girl out there.
     
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    Let's not forget, Holmgren had the advantage of players who were playing well in that game (Favre, Levens, and Butler for example). He could have simply run the ball more. MM didn't have that luxury. We weren't run blocking well and Grant was out of his game. In fact, collectively the whole team stunk. I think that's the first time MM had really faced this, a whole team under performing at every position with few exceptions. MM just didn't know what to do with it. It sucks, but they'll learn and be back.

    On another note: a couple years ago Andy Reid said that he'd reveal some things about the Super Bowl that he was disgusted about, but that he wanted to wait for everyone involved to be out of the game. I wonder if what Ron Wolf talked about is what Reid was planning on saying.
     

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