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<blockquote data-quote="toolkien" data-source="post: 498017" data-attributes="member: 4637"><p>1) What's preventing the Packers from having a top 1 or 2 D? Along with a top 1,2, or 3 O? At the same time? Please provide me the extensive list of such teams the last 15 years. That just might answer your question, or least give it context. It's like asking "why can't the Packers be a titanic team like the 60's, 70's, and 80's?". They just don't exist anymore.</p><p> </p><p>2) As for the assertion the Packers were "terrible" in 2011 and only marginally better in 2012-</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef" target="_blank">http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef</a></p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2012/opp.htm" target="_blank">http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2012/opp.htm</a></p><p> </p><p>Packers were 11th in points given up, 5th in the NFC (ahead of the vaunted Ravens D they are supposed to emulating as far as the entire NFL). And we can only hope the Packers can swing a D like the Steelers, if only they lop off the offensive potency and drop 100 points. We can dream.</p><p> </p><p>They were 11th in yards given up, again 5th in the NFC. Scintillating? No, but not terrible. Being third in points scored in your conference on O, and 5th in your conference on D, which constituted a "down year" for your team, isn't all that shabby. Especially when you've got talent and potency sitting on IR yet again. </p><p> </p><p>It is a bit much to expect a top of the line O and a top of the D on the field at the same time in this modern NFL. You're just going to have to take what comes.</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2012/" target="_blank">http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2012/</a></p><p> </p><p>If you care to, click on the link then click on the SRS column header for each conference to sort. It will give you a quick look at just where the Packers, in a DOWN YEAR, ranked against the rest of the NFL in potency, offense and defense, which is 5th. Are they behind Seattle and San Fran. Sure. But we can't be Vegas shoo-ins every year. The NFL isn't designed that way.</p><p> </p><p>Get as healthy as possible, and have one of several step up in the secondary, and with all the rest the Packers can contend. If you want a team dominant on both sides of the ball for a decade, then you're going to have to hop in a time machine and go back 30-40 years. If teams display potency AND balance at the same time the last 15 years, it hasn't lasted more than a year. We'll see if the Seahawks and 49ers can sustain or not. Recent history would say no.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="toolkien, post: 498017, member: 4637"] 1) What's preventing the Packers from having a top 1 or 2 D? Along with a top 1,2, or 3 O? At the same time? Please provide me the extensive list of such teams the last 15 years. That just might answer your question, or least give it context. It's like asking "why can't the Packers be a titanic team like the 60's, 70's, and 80's?". They just don't exist anymore. 2) As for the assertion the Packers were "terrible" in 2011 and only marginally better in 2012- [url]http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef[/url] [url]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2012/opp.htm[/url] Packers were 11th in points given up, 5th in the NFC (ahead of the vaunted Ravens D they are supposed to emulating as far as the entire NFL). And we can only hope the Packers can swing a D like the Steelers, if only they lop off the offensive potency and drop 100 points. We can dream. They were 11th in yards given up, again 5th in the NFC. Scintillating? No, but not terrible. Being third in points scored in your conference on O, and 5th in your conference on D, which constituted a "down year" for your team, isn't all that shabby. Especially when you've got talent and potency sitting on IR yet again. It is a bit much to expect a top of the line O and a top of the D on the field at the same time in this modern NFL. You're just going to have to take what comes. [url]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2012/[/url] If you care to, click on the link then click on the SRS column header for each conference to sort. It will give you a quick look at just where the Packers, in a DOWN YEAR, ranked against the rest of the NFL in potency, offense and defense, which is 5th. Are they behind Seattle and San Fran. Sure. But we can't be Vegas shoo-ins every year. The NFL isn't designed that way. Get as healthy as possible, and have one of several step up in the secondary, and with all the rest the Packers can contend. If you want a team dominant on both sides of the ball for a decade, then you're going to have to hop in a time machine and go back 30-40 years. If teams display potency AND balance at the same time the last 15 years, it hasn't lasted more than a year. We'll see if the Seahawks and 49ers can sustain or not. Recent history would say no. [/QUOTE]
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