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    Params: post, 149166, a:1:{i:0;s:1002:"Pyle... I'll look forward to it. I appreciate the warm welcome from you, 93z and Lare. Just one last time for crystal clarity. I am not down on AJ Hawk. I look forward to what he may become. I agreed with taking him and love all that he brings to the table. His first year wasn't dynamic and that is all I'm trying to say. I think the well meaning fans of this club have him elevated to a level he's not yet attained. Take his name out of it and call him "Player X" and I don't think anyone who watched "Player X" would be all that excited about his first season. Now, call him AJ Hawk and run some of those college highlights through your mind, and listen to the spin on his speed and take a look at his herculean body and all of a sudden he's something in your mind that he just quite isn't yet. There's a reason commercials work. I think the same principle applies to why so many think AJ Hawk is some sort of phenom. He's not...yet...and that's the point I'm trying to make.";}, 1458829234, 1461939228
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    Params: post, 149171, a:1:{i:0;s:858:"I said it was comparable, not better. And, to the sacks comment, you obviously missed the part on Urlacher blitzing a ton more. As to "all over the field making big plays", that's a hair subjective. I look at big plays from a standpoint of forcing turnovers and making big stops. Urlacher forced 1 fewer turnover than Hawk and was on a team that was 4-12 - giving up almost the exact same defensive numbers as GB did in 06. In almost every measureable manner (individual and team), Hawk and Urlacher had similar rookie seasons. Again, if you account for the amount of blitzing Urlacher did (impacts the 4.5 more sacks), I just can't see how Urlacher had a measureable better season than Hawk. The inidividual and team numbers show this. But, hey, you *remember* Urlacher being all over the field on a 4-12 team, so he must have been much better, right?";}, 1458829234, 1461939228
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    Params: post, 149172, a:1:{i:0;s:941:"I'd call AJ Hawk's rookie year...SOLID. Came out of the gate slow. Improved as things went along. This points to better things this year, especially if Harrell can team with Pickett to stymie O linemen from getting to his level. The Baltimore Raven (Sam Adams/Tony Siragusa) approach excites me. Sadly, the Packers are bereft of stars. Favre was one and is living on that reputation, but frankly we don't have one anymore. It's been fun watching Aarron Kampman and Cullen Jenkins grow into the cusp of elite status. Hopefully, this "grow slow" philosophy of TT pans out. I'm excited about Zac Alcorn's development. It's fun watching these no name players become really good players. If there's one thing the Packers have been good at it's finding good players late, or after, the draft. It'd be nice to really hit on a player in Round 1 though. I'm talking like a LaDainian Tomlinson type of impact player.";}, 1458829234, 1461939228
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