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Why I disapprove of the job TT is doing

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by hoos, May 2, 2007.

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  1. Packnic

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    ok so mike sherman fields a team that goes 4-12 because ONE player goes down.

    TT builds a team with depth and goes 8-8 and he deserves to be fired?
     
  2. packerfan1245

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    He is doing a good job I think...
     
  3. DakotaT

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    Was there any money left to sign them, and if so please show us how that would have been accomplished? As your proof, please don't rehash Pyle's article about Brandt saying it "could have been done." I would finally like someone to show me how Wahle, Rivera, and Darlene could have been kept.
     
  4. hoos

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    I don't think he deserves to be fired yet. However, I also reserve the right to disapprove of what he is doing.

    In my mind, this is a critical year, if the team shows improvement in the win column, then we are progressing and I'll give TT more time, if we regress however, to say 5-7 wins, can his *** or at least give it serious consideration.

    If he is doing such a great job like a lot of you think he is, that shouldn't be that hard, right?
     
  5. cheesey

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    Wahle was still good, but Rivera was done. Thats ONE player that he let go, the other was physically finished.
    To me it looked like a plan. If you have to retool one side, might as well do both and get it over with. Now the O-line is young and barring injury should be good for many years to come.
    JMHO
     
  6. DakotaT

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    This thread has a lot of arguments about years flowing into each other and who's players played in which year. I want take a time out from that and take you guys back to the 2004 GB defense. I hate talking about it because it was the most pathetic excuse of a D, I have ever seen in GB. If any of you painfully remember, the opposition could score as easily from their 20 as the GB 20.

    Enter TT, through the draft and free agency, TT has transformed that defense with the likes of Hunt, Carroll, Diggs, Navies, Sharper, Hawkins, and Gravy; and replaced them with formidable players. Yes, Barnett, Kampmann, and Harris are left from Sherman (way to go Mike).

    Now, Lare, Pyle, Hoos, etc. can you guys please, please for the love of God and everyone's sanity; acknowledge that TT has rebuilt a defense that can actually get off the field without allowing a score.

    This was my attempt at peacemaking for the 2007 season. Carry on gentleman and lovely ladies of the forum.
     
  7. cheesey

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    Good point Dakota......the D IS greatly improved.
    But i guess if it doesn't score TD's it's of no consequence to some people here.
     
  8. hoos

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    The defense has improved, but it was still 25th in scoring last year and at times looked clueless. If the young players contiue to progress, we will be in decent shape.

    My main concern is that without the proper mix of draft and FA, we won't reach the end goal which is the Super Bowl. I don't want to win games, I want to win Super Bowls.
     
  9. dhpackr

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    Then read the article
     
  10. DakotaT

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    I did, but it never talks about the costs of spending into the future. Do you think the Redskins are the poster children for building a team? The cap was out of control and don't some of you recognize the TT was under orders to get control of the cap.
     
  11. dhpackr

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    I know the Packers went 10-6 in '04. We had a 1000 yrd WR, 1000 yrd Rb, HOF QB, Pro-bowl TE. and a decent line that was gelling. Now that WRer is gone, and GJ is no replacement for J-Walk. two Gaurds from that team were never even offered any type of deal, the team was awful in '05. the RB is gone, and sooner or later the blame has to fall somewhere. Not only is TT unable to keep his key players, but he is unable to replace the talent he loses, whether it be through free agency or the draft.
     
  12. tromadz

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    I dont know where to start.

    Do I start by saying he re-signed Driver,Kampman,Barnett?

    Or do I start by telling him he 'replaced' holes through free agency and the draft, using Woodson over Carroll and Hawk over Diggs as examples.

    Ya know, I think i'll just laugh this one off.

    :rotflmao:
     
  13. dhpackr

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    yeah, b/c it takes a great mind to sign Driver,Kampman,Barnett
    why wouldn't you sign these guys, its a no brainer
     
  14. tromadz

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    What you just did there was awesome. You downplayed explosive situations. The Barnett thing could have gone so wrong and ended so badly. Driver was supposedly very vocal about his pay behind the scenes.

    But when TT does something good, its just an easy no brainer.

    Nice.
     
  15. dhpackr

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    :thumbsup:
     
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    We were 25th in scoring defense last year.
     
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    dhpacker, you first said that TT is unable to keep his key players, then someone gave you an example of him doing exactly that. then you say it was a no-brainer signing those guys. what does it being a no-brainer decision have to do with his ability to successfully pull off that no-brainer?
     
  18. DakotaT

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    And twelve overall. that's just a tad better then the Slowik defense wouldn't you say?
     
  19. DakotaT

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    The could score, wow. But could they defend? Also they only beat one quality team all year. They 04 Packers were comparable to the Don Coryell Chargers of the 80's. Not a lot of hardware produced by those boys.
     
  20. hoos

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    Now it's fun with statistics time! If you want to go by yards allowed, they were 7th in 2005 when we went 4-12 with basically the same personnel as 2004. This is attributable to coaching. You're right, Slowik was a bad DC. However, we had the fix in Bates and then we let him get away because MM was such a paramount hire.
     
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    yeah hoos. if there is one thing i just can't get past with TT, it was not hiring Bates.
     
  22. DakotaT

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    Hoos, I can't argue with Bates being a good coach. He got maximum effort from those boys and they in were in just about every game because of it. I don't agree that he is head coach material, and apparantly neither do any of the owners around the league.
     
  23. digsthepack

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    I hate TT because he does not have an effervescent persona in front of cameras. I am quite positive this aspect of his personality has had significant negative impact on his ability to evaluate talent!!

    Damn, I wish he was more bubbly.

    Back on topic, people. We are dissing TT dammit!
     
  24. warhawk

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    dhpackr wrote:

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    Were you here in '05 by the way?

    That 1000 yard WR got hurt in the first game. That 1000 yard RB got hurt as well as did the next guy and the next guy and the next guy. Our All-Pro TE hasn't played like one for how long now?

    As if all the injuries were not enough to overcome he was saddled with Roman, Carroll, Digg's, Lenon, and, a horshit DL. If he can't replace players how did Woodson, Pickett, Hawk, Poppinga, Jenkins, and others, end up here and those others are gone?

    So all the offensive threats got hurt and our defense sucked but if we had kept that one guard, by god, we would have done better!!!

    Wow.

    I need the name of doctors some of you guys use. They are subscribing some awfully powerful mind altering drugs.
     
  25. PackerLegend

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    :rotflmao: :agree:
     
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