Why Can't Get a Player Like This?

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

Patrick Mahomes could’ve easily become the highest-paid QB (annually) in the league. The Chiefs’ kingdom would certainly not have any issues giving their honorary prince a crown of his own. But that’s not who he is. On many occasions, he has moved around his contract, so the team has a better cap. The thought behind it is simple. ‘I’m here to stay, so why not get some guys that can help me win?’ He wants to win Super Bowls, and what good is money when you have a shot at someday being called a 6-7 time Super Bowl champ? That’s got a ring to it the likes of which no big check could buy. But if you’re talking about checks alone, he’s in a class of his own.

 

[Pkrjones]

Mahomes' deal is structured such that he continually converts his salary to a bonus. This puts guaranteed $ in his pocket in March, moves cap $ into the future, which guarantees they can't cut him. While he's not making top dollar, by QB standards, he's got security. If/when KC eventually wants "out" of the deal they're guaranteed to be in cap-hell for a few years. I'd "settle" for $1/2billion & job security.

FYI... AR has made $380mil over his 20 yr career, Mahomes will easily make 1.5-2x that over his.

 

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

Thanks, are explaining this.

 

[OldSchool101]

Mahomes' deal is structured such that he continually converts his salary to a bonus. This puts guaranteed $ in his pocket in March, moves cap $ into the future, which guarantees they can't cut him. While he's not making top dollar, by QB standards, he's got security. If/when KC eventually wants "out" of the deal they're guaranteed to be in cap-hell for a few years. I'd "settle" for $1/2billion & job security.

FYI... AR has made $380mil over his 20 yr career, Mahomes will easily make 1.5-2x that over his.

Yes. He’s a smart player with a good agent. Those little $5-10Mil gaps we see him live with earn him in excess of $25Mil per year in endorsements. So in reality he’s drawing around $70mil annually which is if it’s not #1 it’s probably #2 overall. Every 3-4 seasons they tend to get a restructure like his 2023 season. I expect by 2026, 2027 they’ll bump his average up again.

 

[htownpackfan66]

Reminds me of Brady. Rodgers was all about ego (being paid the most) while Brady would make sacrifices so the team could sign players who would put them over the top for winning rings.

 

[gopkrs]

I don't buy much of this crap that people are saying about how some are all about the team and others not at all.
There isn't much, if any, difference with what they make.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Reminds me of Brady. Rodgers was all about ego (being paid the most) while Brady would make sacrifices so the team could sign players who would put them over the top for winning rings.

Almost every player tries to maximize their earnings. Very few players are the lowest earners in their household.

 

[OldSchool101]

He’s a player alright

 

[Calebs Revenge]

It is why, among other things, TB was the GOAT.
Never insisted on breaking the market record during his negotiations and saw that much more money to be had by being a champ. He worth several billion now.
Team friendly deals helped build the defenses and other additions that had them being the best for 2 decades.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

It is why, among other things, TB was the GOAT.
Never insisted on breaking the market record during his negotiations and saw that much more money to be had by being a champ. He worth several billion now.
Team friendly deals helped build the defenses and other additions that had them being the best for 2 decades.

The reverence that gets put on a guy who had the best coach in modern history and defenses that made his job MUCH easier than anything Rodgers or Manning had to deal with will always astound me. To hear some people talk about it, Brady played for the vet minimum every season and the of the team was payed for off the savings.

 

[OldSchool101]

The reverence that gets put on a guy who had the best coach in modern history and defenses that made his job MUCH easier than anything Rodgers or Manning had to deal with will always astound me. To hear some people talk about it, Brady played for the vet minimum every season and the of the team was payed for off the savings.

Brady did a Great job because he could elevate his game when in pressure situations. However it’s very true I recall pulling the Patriots Defensive Stats. If memory serves his Defenses made top 10 in scoring 17 Times across his 20 seasons. His AVERAGE ranked scoring D during his Patriot tenure was #8 scoring D

Rodgers only Top 10 Defenses.
7th Ranked 2009 Wildcard Loss 45-51
2nd Ranked 2010 SB Win 31-25
9th Ranked 2021 Divisional Loss 10-13

Tom Brady WITHOUT a Top10 Defense?
17th ranked 2002-missed postseason
17th ranked 2005-Lost Div 13-27
15th ranked 2011- Lost SB 17-21

*Rodgers had 7 Defenses ranked 19th or worse across 15 seasons

*Brady never had a Defense ranked 18th or Worse across 20 seasons.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Brady did a Great job because he could elevate his game when in pressure situations. However it’s very true I recall pulling the Patriots Defensive Stats. If memory serves his Defenses made top 10 in scoring 17 Times across his 20 seasons. His AVERAGE ranked scoring D during his Patriot tenure was #8 scoring. I doubt that ever happens again in our lifetimes.

I don’t remember the exact numbers but it was something like the Patriots gave up over 30 points in the playoffs 5 times in his entire career while the packers defense gave up an average of 30+points during Rodgers career. The difference between what Brady had to do in the playoffs verse every other QB is what makes lazy analysts proclaim Brady the best ever.

 

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

Reminds me of Brady. Rodgers was all about ego (being paid the most) while Brady would make sacrifices so the team could sign players who would put them over the top for winning rings.

Maybe J. Love will do the same

 

[tynimiller]

Folks that believe the shuffling of cards/money isn't going to be a big issue someday are fooling themselves. Yes the cap is increasing...but KC is for sure an example of financing away your future for the present. It is something a lot of teams wouldn't want to do, and someday KC is going to hope lightning can strike a second time like it did in GB...or else they will be facing what as of today is an insane amount of dead money that will need to come due. Folks see that he signed a 10 year deal...but the crazy thing is they've added two void years as well....

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[Calebs Revenge]

The reverence that gets put on a guy who had the best coach in modern history and defenses that made his job MUCH easier than anything Rodgers or Manning had to deal with will always astound me. To hear some people talk about it, Brady played for the vet minimum every season and the of the team was payed for off the savings.

It's not reverence. It's just recognizing greatness.
A coach can call the best play in the world........ The players still have to go out onto the field and execute the play.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

I don’t remember the exact numbers but it was something like the Patriots gave up over 30 points in the playoffs 5 times in his entire career while the packers defense gave up an average of 30+points during Rodgers career. The difference between what Brady had to do in the playoffs verse every other QB is what makes lazy analysts proclaim Brady the best ever.

Maybe they had better defenses because they had extra money to spend on defensive players because their quarterback didn't absolutely break their budget?

 

[Calebs Revenge]

It also might be the seven Super Bowl wins, but hey, I don't know hahahahha

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Maybe they had better defenses because they had extra money to spend on defensive players because their quarterback didn't absolutely break their budget?

Well, let's examine that idea. Brady played 20 years with the Patriots and his various below-market contracts saved them an estimated $60-$100 million total (estimate from Business Insider article from 2022). Let's go with the $100 million figure to give him the most credit for single-handedly making the Pats defense elite. Over those 20 years, his saint-like sacrifice allowed the Patriots to spend an extra $5 million on defensive players. Now I'm no contract expert but I'm not sure that $5 million in savings per year is the difference between an elite defense and a below average defense. So next, let's look at some examples of the players that were being paid about $5M per year.

The Patriots, through the beneficence of Brady's charitable sacrifice, would have been able to add the Viking's very own Brian Robison at DE ($5.6M a year for four years in 2013)! No, I don't think he's the difference between an elite defense and a bad defense. Let's check out the DT market; Kendall Langford made $5.5M a year on a 3 year contract starting in 2012. I could continue with the snark but I'll stop there.

As a percentage of the salary cap (starting in 2011 when the new salary cap came into effect), Brady took up 10.9% of the cap. Rodgers took up 11.62%, Manning took up 13.2%, and Brees took up 13.98%! Look at that selfish clown Rodgers, taking up an extra 0.72% of the cap!!! (sorry, that last bit was snark but it just kind of slipped out).

 

[Calebs Revenge]

I mean......you can do whatever you want with math numbers and equations I'm just looking at games won and championships won my dude.....
But....have fun with the numbers and do you.

 

[tynimiller]

I mean......you can do whatever you want with math numbers and equations I'm just looking at games won and championships won my dude.....
But....have fun with the numbers and do you.

This simply cannot be how substantiated reasoning is derived...vastly too shallow of a way to make a determination. For every player it fits, there are players that make a mockery of using just wins and/or rings.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

For every player it fits..........
Wha..........
I'm specifically talking TB12 and his run with NE.
Those wins and rings, which I wouldn't characterize my statements as mockery, happen to be facts........

 

[Calebs Revenge]

Tom Brady's last year with the patriots he was paid $23 million
That same year Russell Wilson was the highest paid quarterback in the league at 35 mil.
To put it in perspective, the Bears paid Khalil Mack more money that year than the patriots paid Tom Brady. Do you think that was a wise allocation of funds on the Bears part?
Tom Brady wasn't even in the top 15 paid players that year...or might've been 14 or 15th iirc.
Guy who won six Super Bowls making less money than an outside linebacker for the Chicago Bears Yep sounds about right....

 

[tynimiller]

For every player it fits..........
Wha..........
I'm specifically talking TB12 and his run with NE.
Those wins and rings, which I wouldn't characterize my statements as mockery, happen to be facts........

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with someone claiming Brady is the Goat...he isn't the best QB I've ever seen play, but I don't contest the Goat status as he not only won a ton of rings, he put up well above average stats and did it long after many thought he could.

When it comes to QBs I've always settled on comfortably saying there are three clear guys that deserve to be on Mt. Rushmore...

Brady - the overall Goat
Rodgers - the most efficient and best passing QB I've seen
Manning - the most lethal between the ears ever to do it
Mahomes - the modern day version of Favre with more skillful touch

 

[Calebs Revenge]

He's definitely not the most skilled, but I don't think anyone can argue that he's the smartest and for short yardage he's the most accurate.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

And even even if not, the most accurate overall, the most accurate when it freaking mattered......