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Message: <blockquote data-quote="El Guapo" data-source="post: 447412" data-attributes="member: 5830">Chicken or egg. I'd argue that Favre made everyone around him that much better. In fact for the skills positions, I don't think that anyone one except for Chmura was a Pro Bowl player had they played with a different, average QB. Favre did epitomize the franchise and it's ideals. His vicodin addiction was a perfect example. He admitted that he had a problem, he and the fans dealt with it, and we all came out better in the end. THAT epitomizes the team and Packers community. DevilDon, when you fall off your high and mighty horse you might feel the same way. You can't pick and choose what you want to celebrate or condemn about the man...well, I guess that you are but that's just like all of the wonderful politicians. Favre was a great player for this franchise. For 16 seasons Favre was the face of the franchise, set almost every record at his position, and set most of the major NFL records while a Packer. He had ups and downs personally but was almost unanimously loved by every Packers fan. Yes he had an ugly breakup at the end, and it's clear that you still can't handle that, but you can't wash away the 16 years of success with a couple months of ugly off-season. That's pretty shallow. The Packers should retire his number. Feel free to write the Packers organization a letter and ask them to put an asterisk next to his number on the ring of honor in Lambeau.</blockquote>

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