Who wants optimism??

[El Guapo]

The Packers are 6-3-1, played their best in their first two games of the season.
- They have played relatively poorly against the worst teams
- Looked good for one half against the Steelers
- Played great offense and poor defense against the Cowboys
- Played great defense and poor offense against the Eagles

All of that said, we have all of the pieces to be good to great. We have the type of defense that can win a championship. When the Packers put it all together as they did in Weeks 1 & 2, they can beat anyone.

While I would love for us to steamroll all of the bad teams, I'm encouraged by the notion that we can play great football and could do it for the last 1/3rd of the season and beyond. We'll see if the players and coaches can figure it all out in time.

 

[rmontro]

I know this is counter to the theme of the thread, but while the Packers did look great in the first two games, the win over the Commanders looks less impressive in retrospect. I don't think anyone expected them to be 3-8 at this point, they expected the team that made it to the NFCCG last year.

 

[milani]

I know this is counter to the theme of the thread, but while the Packers did look great in the first two games, the win over the Commanders looks less impressive in retrospect. I don't think anyone expected them to be 3-8 at this point, they expected the team that made it to the NFCCG last year.

I certainly did. The Commanders started the season against Wilson and the Giants. We beat the Lions in a crucial game. We were riding high. They had to travel on the short week. Their game plan was not good. But they have been a disappointment to their fans.

 

[pacmaniac]

I know this is counter to the theme of the thread, but while the Packers did look great in the first two games, the win over the Commanders looks less impressive in retrospect. I don't think anyone expected them to be 3-8 at this point, they expected the team that made it to the NFCCG last year.

We beat them by more than a TD. That loss to the Browns though, looks way worse now.

 

[tynimiller]

The Packers are 6-3-1, played their best in their first two games of the season.
- They have played relatively poorly against the worst teams
- Looked good for one half against the Steelers
- Played great offense and poor defense against the Cowboys
- Played great defense and poor offense against the Eagles

All of that said, we have all of the pieces to be good to great. We have the type of defense that can win a championship. When the Packers put it all together as they did in Weeks 1 & 2, they can beat anyone.

While I would love for us to steamroll all of the bad teams, I'm encouraged by the notion that we can play great football and could do it for the last 1/3rd of the season and beyond. We'll see if the players and coaches can figure it all out in time.

Not too mention in numerous metrics and purely if you isolate watch him Love is playing his best ball. MLF needs to let him COOK. Honestly, I think Jacobs being down might help make him stop wanting to be so dang run dominant. LET LOVE COOK!

 

[milani]

Not too mention in numerous metrics and purely if you isolate watch him Love is playing his best ball. MLF needs to let him COOK. Honestly, I think Jacobs being down might help make him stop wanting to be so dang run dominant. LET LOVE COOK!

You like to stay balanced. If we pass, pass, pass the Vikings will blitz even more than they do now.

 

[tynimiller]

You like to stay balanced. If we pass, pass, pass the Vikings will blitz even more than they do now.

No one is saying pass all the time. LOL

 

[El Guapo]

The pass vs run stats through this season: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct
1. Cincinnati passes the most with a 67% pass / 33% run ratio
4. Minnesota has a 61% pass / 39% run ratio
24. Green Bay has a 54% pass / 46% run ratio
32. Seattle runs the ball the most with a 48% pass / 52% run ratio - the only team the passes more than it runs.

I suppose that a team should endeavor to be perfectly balanced at 50%/50%. However, as NFL offensive trends sway back and forth, it probably makes sense to aim right at the median (#16) if their skilled positions are equal. However, if you have the best runner in the league or the best QB or WR, a team should skew slightly one way or the other.

I would think that with Josh Jacobs in the lineup, our full roster of WRs and Jordan Love, we should strive for the median. With Kraft and Reed out, and now Jacobs, I still think that we should strive for the median - which would be more passing.

 

[gopkrs]

The pass vs run stats through this season: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct
1. Cincinnati passes the most with a 67% pass / 33% run ratio
4. Minnesota has a 61% pass / 39% run ratio
24. Green Bay has a 54% pass / 46% run ratio
32. Seattle runs the ball the most with a 48% pass / 52% run ratio - the only team the passes more than it runs.

I suppose that a team should endeavor to be perfectly balanced at 50%/50%. However, as NFL offensive trends sway back and forth, it probably makes sense to aim right at the median (#16) if their skilled positions are equal. However, if you have the best runner in the league or the best QB or WR, a team should skew slightly one way or the other.

I would think that with Josh Jacobs in the lineup, our full roster of WRs and Jordan Love, we should strive for the median. With Kraft and Reed out, and now Jacobs, I still think that we should strive for the median - which would be more passing.

I think that because our O line does not normally open holes when the defense figures on a run; we should be throwing a bit more to open up the run. And I agree with a bunch of others that we are more effective with Jordan taking the snap under center unless it's an obvious passing down. Imho

 

[Magooch]

It's not like we need to abandon the run entirely, but we are WAY more effective in the passing game than the running game right now. As of right now we literally have the highest passing EPA in the league right now...but are 13th in rush EPA (both adjusted per-play).

We're 6th in yards per pass attempt, 5th in adjusted yards per attempt, 8th in yards per completion, 7th in net yards per attempt, 5th in adjusted net yards per attempt, and 4th in total expected points from passing offense

In the run game we are 23rd in yards per attempt and 15th in expected points from rushing offense

Now if we start to skew more pass-heavy, maybe those numbers start to level out a little bit more, but when the discrepancy is as great as it is right now I'm of the mind that we should be going considerably more pass-heavy until you start to see those numbers start to "equalize" a little bit. As it is, right now the rush game pretty much only serves to "keep defenses honest" so that they can't sell out for pass coverage every down. On its own it is, on average, not a "plus play" for us

 

[oompatailgate]

You like to stay balanced. If we pass, pass, pass the Vikings will blitz even more than they do now.

aaaaaaaaaaaamen!

Unless the OFFensive line can do better than look for nightcrawlers on the field. Yes I know they're ailing....but c'mon man

 

[Poppa San]

The pass vs run stats through this season: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct
1. Cincinnati passes the most with a 67% pass / 33% run ratio
4. Minnesota has a 61% pass / 39% run ratio
24. Green Bay has a 54% pass / 46% run ratio
32. Seattle runs the ball the most with a 48% pass / 52% run ratio - the only team the passes more than it runs.

I suppose that a team should endeavor to be perfectly balanced at 50%/50%. However, as NFL offensive trends sway back and forth, it probably makes sense to aim right at the median (#16) if their skilled positions are equal. However, if you have the best runner in the league or the best QB or WR, a team should skew slightly one way or the other.

I would think that with Josh Jacobs in the lineup, our full roster of WRs and Jordan Love, we should strive for the median. With Kraft and Reed out, and now Jacobs, I still think that we should strive for the median - which would be more passing.

I ran across a clip of MLF stating that Love checks into runs from a called pass more than he'd like him to. His predecessor went the other way where he never saw a defense he wouldn't try to pass against.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

The Packers are 6-3-1, played their best in their first two games of the season.
- They have played relatively poorly against the worst teams
- Looked good for one half against the Steelers
- Played great offense and poor defense against the Cowboys
- Played great defense and poor offense against the Eagles

All of that said, we have all of the pieces to be good to great. We have the type of defense that can win a championship. When the Packers put it all together as they did in Weeks 1 & 2, they can beat anyone.

While I would love for us to steamroll all of the bad teams, I'm encouraged by the notion that we can play great football and could do it for the last 1/3rd of the season and beyond. We'll see if the players and coaches can figure it all out in time.

Packers are 6-4. If it ain't a win it's a los

 

[PikeBadger]

Packers are 6-4. If it ain't a win it's a los

Not necessarily.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Not necessarily.

Is it a win? No? Then it's a loss

 

[rmontro]

Is it a win? No? Then it's a loss

Or it's a tie.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Or it's a tie.

i.e. a NOT win...so...a LOSS

 

[milani]

Is it a win? No? Then it's a loss

Funny.

 

[Magooch]

i.e. a NOT win...so...a LOSS

What do you call a not-loss?

 

[milani]

What do you call a not-loss?

It is a game that does not count. It is as if we never played it. Back in the day teams had 2, sometimes 3 ties in a season. Their standings were calculated by % only counting the games that were not ties.
In 1963 the Packers finished 11-2-1. The Bears finished 11-1-2. The Bears were awarded the conference title. If that were not the case the results are different.

 

[rmontro]

Somebody better contact the NFL, because they have our record listed wrong in the standings, apparently we should be 7-4.

 

[AmishMafia]

i.e. a NOT win...so...a LOSS

They weren't outscored. So its a WIN!!!!

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

They weren't outscored. So its a WIN!!!!

I mean if you wanna kiss your sister cause that's what a tie is like...

 

[Magooch]

I mean if you wanna kiss your sister cause that's what a tie is like...

How would you know?

 

[AmishMafia]

I mean if you wanna kiss your sister cause that's what a tie is like...

Have you seen my sister? Apparently not.