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<blockquote data-quote="texaspackerbacker" data-source="post: 499467" data-attributes="member: 25"><p>CURRENT players make a lot and should have no problem getting insurance or self-insuring. However, that wasn't always the case, and the old-timers are likely the ones needing treatment and procedures. As for blowing their savings, whoever is to blame, it happens in some cases. What are they gonna do? Just let them suffer and die? Society in general faces that problem same as the NFL. As somebody stated, it makes some degree of difference whether the condition is career-related or not, although even if not, you still have that "what are you gonna do?" question.</p><p> </p><p>I disagree that players have more characteristics of employees than independent contractors. They have contracts; They are not lumped together as a group for pay purposes; They can become free agents; That all sounds like independent contractors to me. I doubt the teams send them W2 forms - more likely 1099s if that is the procedure for multi-millionaires hahaha.</p><p> </p><p>Jack, your position is surprising and refreshing, considering your views in other areas. Turning the healthcare system over to the government has a few pros and a lot of cons. However, that horse has already left the barn - the new wave system we have is already in place, or at least legislated and moving toward complete implementation. Therefore, as I understand the law, if the players are considered independent contractors, it's out of the league's hands, and the players are part of the government system, and conversely, if they are employees, the league (or teams) is forced to get them insurance. This thread is about retired - mainly old-timers, though. Other than proveable cause - job-related conditions, there is no legal obligation - just moral obligation for the NFL to help these guys. You could assume that ex-players would get quicker and better treatment outside of the government system, and although that's probably true, it implies things about the government system that aren't very complimentary hahaha.</p><p> </p><p>Much has been said in here about debt/deficits/the Bernanke plans for expanding the money supply. Yes, our currency is basically conjured up out of thin air, as somebody said - it is backed by government debt instruments - basically the government saying the money is good. The dollar is the reserve currency of the world, meaning all international transactions must be completed in dollars. That is an EXTREME advantage for America, and it will continue to be the case as long as we are the militarily dominant country in the world - something the left in this country seems to be intent on changing. Basically, as long as the current situation - the dollar being the reserve currency, we can increase the debt ad infinitum. Theoretically, it could be inflationary, but it hasn't happened yet. As long as the government/the Fed keep turning over the debt - not selling back those debt instruments they are buying up, everything will be fine. There are, however, politicians on both the left and the right that preach against what's going on. They should be careful what they wish for, because NOT turning over the debt - reducing it by selling the debt instruments would bring exactly the calamity they predict. Leaving well enough alone regarding currency and debt is the best course IMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="texaspackerbacker, post: 499467, member: 25"] CURRENT players make a lot and should have no problem getting insurance or self-insuring. However, that wasn't always the case, and the old-timers are likely the ones needing treatment and procedures. As for blowing their savings, whoever is to blame, it happens in some cases. What are they gonna do? Just let them suffer and die? Society in general faces that problem same as the NFL. As somebody stated, it makes some degree of difference whether the condition is career-related or not, although even if not, you still have that "what are you gonna do?" question. I disagree that players have more characteristics of employees than independent contractors. They have contracts; They are not lumped together as a group for pay purposes; They can become free agents; That all sounds like independent contractors to me. I doubt the teams send them W2 forms - more likely 1099s if that is the procedure for multi-millionaires hahaha. Jack, your position is surprising and refreshing, considering your views in other areas. Turning the healthcare system over to the government has a few pros and a lot of cons. However, that horse has already left the barn - the new wave system we have is already in place, or at least legislated and moving toward complete implementation. Therefore, as I understand the law, if the players are considered independent contractors, it's out of the league's hands, and the players are part of the government system, and conversely, if they are employees, the league (or teams) is forced to get them insurance. This thread is about retired - mainly old-timers, though. Other than proveable cause - job-related conditions, there is no legal obligation - just moral obligation for the NFL to help these guys. You could assume that ex-players would get quicker and better treatment outside of the government system, and although that's probably true, it implies things about the government system that aren't very complimentary hahaha. Much has been said in here about debt/deficits/the Bernanke plans for expanding the money supply. Yes, our currency is basically conjured up out of thin air, as somebody said - it is backed by government debt instruments - basically the government saying the money is good. The dollar is the reserve currency of the world, meaning all international transactions must be completed in dollars. That is an EXTREME advantage for America, and it will continue to be the case as long as we are the militarily dominant country in the world - something the left in this country seems to be intent on changing. Basically, as long as the current situation - the dollar being the reserve currency, we can increase the debt ad infinitum. Theoretically, it could be inflationary, but it hasn't happened yet. As long as the government/the Fed keep turning over the debt - not selling back those debt instruments they are buying up, everything will be fine. There are, however, politicians on both the left and the right that preach against what's going on. They should be careful what they wish for, because NOT turning over the debt - reducing it by selling the debt instruments would bring exactly the calamity they predict. Leaving well enough alone regarding currency and debt is the best course IMO. [/QUOTE]
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