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Where do you place blame for todays Arse Wooping (Now with Polls)

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Zartan, Nov 28, 2013.

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Where do you place blame for todays horrible beatdown.

  1. Mike McCarthy

    6 vote(s)
    11.8%
  2. Ted Tompson

    4 vote(s)
    7.8%
  3. Dom Capers

    5 vote(s)
    9.8%
  4. Offensive Line

    2 vote(s)
    3.9%
  5. Matty Flynn

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  6. Defense Personnel

    2 vote(s)
    3.9%
  7. Offensive Personnel

    2 vote(s)
    3.9%
  8. All of the Above

    29 vote(s)
    56.9%
  1. Munch

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    MM: I like him as a coach but his offence is stale and old. Same plays that every team has seen a hundred times a year. I noticed a few times this year that the D-line would all jump in unison and knock down A-Rods quick slant in the Red Zone. That means we have been too predictable. MM needs to change it up and revise his game plans every year. I have always been criticle of his play calling late in games. He doesn't know how to put teams away.


    Dom: I haven't seen any DB blitzes or S blitzes all year. It seems the D plan is to wait for anyone to catch and then tackle (or miss tackle). There is no QB pressure and yesterday was the first time all year I seen a DB jump the route for a pick. It's like D doesn't even want to be there. That is the coaching.

    Players: I'm told my wife for a few years now that the secondary is undersized at least for this division. They can't create physicality on the line for the bump and they can't create fear with the safeties coming down. Since we lost Collins we haven't had that. Woodson made Collins better and Collins made Tramon better which gave the D-line and LBs more time.

    I've coached wrestling for years and by no means does that make me think I know anything about football. As a coach I have always told my kids that they have to learn new moves every year to change it up, get a fresh perspective and stay physical. The Pack needs the same attitude from the front office to the 3rd stringer on the bench.
     
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  2. Dan115

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    What did your wife say about the players?
     
  3. Munch

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    She agrees that that they don't have the size or physicality.
     
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  4. alien visitor

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  5. weeds

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    Why..... I NEVER!!!! :) SHEESH!!!! :)
     
  6. alien visitor

    alien visitor Cheesehead

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    Man, what an awesome babe. Takes my mind off the current events. Thanks Bane.

    You can't possibly be that lucky?
     
  7. weeds

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    Dan, how can we blame you for the last 5 AND take your word for it. Off to the corner with you man!
     
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  8. buggybill2003

    buggybill2003 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    So it wasn`t just a bad dream then ??? :eek:
     
  9. weeds

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    I've already blamed the Benedryl, Bill. Word to the wise: DO NOT put any faith in your dream if you're taking medication. :) -- Damn, and it was a vivid dream too -- so realistic.
     
  10. buggybill2003

    buggybill2003 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    So was mine. I dreamed I ate a giant marshmallow, and when I woke up, my pillow had gone.......baboom !!
     
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  11. bubba

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    Well MM keeps defending Capers so there is only one logical person to blame and that would be TT. I guess all the players on defense that TT drafted are just terrible. I am thinking MM would cut the whole defense before he would fire his buddy. TT needs to come out and tell everyone that he really put a bad defense together and that's why Capers schemes are not working. If TT is not getting pissed off with this defense there is definitely something wrong with him. If MM wont fire this guy he needs to put his big boy pants on and fire this guy himself.
     
  12. FrankRizzo

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    Record doesn't matter to me UNLESS it gets us into the playoffs. If we miss the playoffs, I'd rather lose-out the final 4 games and get a top-10 draft pick.
     
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  14. alien visitor

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    Not having the talent on the field is on TT. Not having heart on the field is either coaching or an attitude that is festering in trying to run the same ineffective plays.
     
  15. Packerlifer

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    I think the short week, going on the road, and following on a 5 quarter game last Sunday had something to do with the Packers' terrible play yesterday. They seemed to be "in a fog" all day. They also played milquetoast on the o-line, even before the EDS injury and were their old flailing, powderpuff selves on defense. The turnovers were more due to the Lions than the Packer defense. And they let Jeremy Ross add sweet revenge to his Thanksgiving turkey.

    The offensive struggles will resolve when Aaron Rodgers returns. But the defense will be what it is in any case. And that's on the players. A major reshuffling of the defensive roster should be coming this offseason. Patience has to come to an end with the same guys who can't/won't tackle, cover, rush, control the gap, communicate, and are always getting injured. They need to put a spine and leadership to this unit like they had when Charles Woodson, Nick Collins and Cullen Jenkins were here. Get a true monster nose tackle , a real 3-4 olb , a cover corner and a hard hitting playmaker at safetyand the defense will rise to the higher rankings once again.
     
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    It's been a cruel month to be sure but we did have a 5 game losing streak in '08, a 4-12 season in 2005, the 8-8 in 1999. We haven't been here often over the last 20-some years but we have been here before. And the Pack does usually come back.
     
  17. alien visitor

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    Agree on the D comments, however until we can protect the QB this will happen again!
     
  18. longtimefan

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  19. FrankRizzo

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    I'm happy for Jeremy Ross.
    Yes I was mad at him when he fumbled in Cinci this year, and at the Niners in that playoff game. But our defense was so bad vs Kaepernick, I don't think it would have mattered.
    But everyone makes mistakes, especially on defense and our OL.
    If we cut guys for 2 mistakes, we'd have nobody left on the OL or at DB.
    I was one of the few who defended Ross and thought we should have kept him.

    From Rob Demovsky last night:
     
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  20. FrankRizzo

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    That's correct.
    I love our fans, but when they say stuff like that "I haven't seen...", that doesn't mean it hasn't been done or tried.
    Much more often than not, when we blitz a DB or Hawk or Jones, they don't get home. They get blocked.
    Doesn't mean Capers didn't send people.
     
  21. alien visitor

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    The talent and experience will abound next year. When remotely healthy we are very dangerous. The question is who will be coaching???
     
  22. buggybill2003

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    I`m happy for Jeremy Ross too, although we did our best to make him look better too Frank :(
     
  23. FrankRizzo

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    We have a way of doing that to a lot of folks.
    Christian Ponder is often a Pro Bowl potential QB according to us.
    So is Josh McClown.
    We even made Toby Gerhart look like an NFL starting caliber RB, and I think Joique Bell's best day ever yesterday.
     
  24. bear7625

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    The D has given up an average of 440 yds. per game since Rodgers went down. This was against teams we were suppose to beat. I think the "inmates are running the asylum."
     
  25. alien visitor

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    DC has to go. His players do not believe in him anymore.
     

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