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    Params: post, 474094, a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:38:"NJPackfan., post: 474022, member: 7251";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:48:"[quote="NJPackfan., post: 474022, member: 7251"]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:44:"The same place the James Jones critics are ?";}}i:1;s:595:" Couple things, First, in order to have any legit cred with a thread like this you have to actually fully back the player before, and frankly, I have never seen you post before, so .. Who are you? Second, it's already been covered but one game doesn't make a player. If he had an entire season where he played well and kept his mouth shut the thread might be valid. I was the biggest Crosby hater but I won't use this game to hang him out to dry again. Third, I been busy since you asked. Really not worth getting into but yeah, a couple mods on vouch I have been busy the past couple days";}, 1458829234, 1464494599
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    Params: post, 474100, a:1:{i:0;s:335:"As small of a game as 3 catchs was, I hope this boosted his morale and gave him some mojo back. We can't even start a thread about how he is back or how anyone can't still hate on the guy, it was one small 3 reception game. Give him 6+ catches against the NYG and be a top performer and I will stop bust'n his balls, till them.....nope";}, 1458829234, 1464494599
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  86. library/EWRporta2/Model/Perms.php
  87. library/ThemeHouse/JoinUserGroup/Listener/ControllerPreDispatch.php
  88. library/ThemeHouse/Listener/ControllerPreDispatch.php
  89. library/ThemeHouse/Listener/ControllerPreDispatch/20150911.php
  90. library/UnreadPostCount/Listener.php
  91. library/XenForo/ControllerHelper/ForumThreadPost.php
  92. library/XenForo/ControllerHelper/Abstract.php
  93. library/XenForo/Model/Thread.php
  94. library/Nobita/IgnoreThread/Model/Thread.php
  95. library/Dark/PostRating/Model/Thread.php
  96. library/sonnbThreadMassActions/Model/Thread.php
  97. library/UnreadPostCount/Model/Thread.php
  98. library/Dark/PostRating/Model.php
  99. library/XenForo/Model/Forum.php
  100. library/XenForo/Helper/String.php
  101. library/XenForo/Helper/Discussion.php
  102. library/XenForo/Model/Post.php
  103. library/Dark/PostRating/Model/Post.php
  104. library/sonnbThreadMassActions/Model/Post.php
  105. library/EWRporta2/Model/Post.php
  106. library/EWRporta2/Model/Articles.php
  107. library/XenForo/Model/Attachment.php
  108. library/XenForo/Model/Node.php
  109. library/Nobita/IgnoreThread/Model/Node.php
  110. library/XenForo/Route/Prefix/Categories.php
  111. library/XenForo/Route/Prefix/Forums.php
  112. library/XenForo/ControllerResponse/View.php
  113. library/XenForo/ControllerResponse/Abstract.php
  114. library/Nobita/IgnoreThread/Model/IgnoreThread.php
  115. library/XenForo/Helper/Cookie.php
  116. library/XenForo/ViewRenderer/HtmlPublic.php
  117. library/XenForo/ViewRenderer/Abstract.php
  118. library/XenForo/Template/Public.php
  119. library/XenForo/Template/Abstract.php
  120. library/XenForo/ViewPublic/Thread/View.php
  121. library/XenForo/ViewPublic/Base.php
  122. library/XenForo/View.php
  123. library/EWRporta2/Listener/ViewPublic.php
  124. library/XenForo/BbCode/Parser.php
  125. library/XenForo/BbCode/Formatter/Base.php
  126. library/EWRporta2/Listener/BbCode.php
  127. library/bdTagMe/XenForo/BbCode/Formatter/Base.php
  128. library/sonnb/XenGallery/XenForo/BbCode/Formatter/Base.php
  129. library/EWRporta2/BbCode/Formatter.php
  130. library/XenForo/ViewPublic/Helper/Message.php
  131. library/XenForo/BbCode/TextWrapper.php
  132. library/WhoHasVisited/Listener.php
  133. library/XenForo/Route/Prefix/Members.php
  134. library/bdTagMe/XenForo/Route/Prefix/Members.php
  135. library/Dark/TaigaChat/EventListener/NavigationTabs.php
  136. library/EWRporta2/Listener/NavTabs.php
  137. library/XenForo/Template/FileHandler.php
  138. library/XenForo/Helper/File.php
  139. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,thread_view.php
  140. library/SeparateStickyAndNormal/Listener.php
  141. library/EWRporta2/Listener/Template.php
  142. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,ignore_thread_tool.php
  143. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,page_nav.php
  144. library/XenForo/Route/Prefix/Posts.php
  145. library/XenForo/Model/Avatar.php
  146. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,dark_postrating_message_user_info.php
  147. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,bb_code_tag_quote.php
  148. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,dark_postrating.php
  149. library/XenForo/Helper/Criteria.php
  150. library/XenForo/Debug.php
  151. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,PAGE_CONTAINER.php
  152. library/FreePro/Helper.php
  153. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,EWRporta2_Navtabs.php
  154. library/XenForo/ViewRenderer/Json.php