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<blockquote data-quote="TJV" data-source="post: 430657" data-attributes="member: 4300"><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">IMO when most of us talk about Thompson not using UFA we mean the well known and high priced UFAs that are pursued in the first hours and days of UFA. Thompson’s analysis over the years shows him teams are much more likely to make a huge mistake – money-wise, cap-wise, and team chemistry-wise - during that period than they are to “strike gold”. But that doesn’t mean Thompson doesn’t use UFA: Every time a Packers player tests the market and signs with the Packers, IMO that’s an UFA signing. Clifton and Jones are recent examples. But that’s not very exciting, is it? Thompson has also done well in UDFA – undrafted free agency – but for those who think the draft itself isn’t enough, the “leftovers” of the draft can hardly suffice. And he uses “traditional” UFA occasionally as well – like signing Chillar in 2008 as Kevin Seifert recently noted <u><a href="http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/52891/rodgers-recruiting-if-packers-enter-market" target="_blank">LINK</a></u>. Seifert added, “in the past two seasons the Packers have won 29 of 37 games without tapping the quick fixes available in the free agent market.” That’s a 78% winning percentage and includes a title. Do you think that makes it more or less likely Thompson will change his ways? </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ExpatPacker asks what if it’s not possible to fix the pass rush through the draft alone and that’s a fair question. I think Thompson would say UFA isn’t a sure fix for it, either. Don’t get me wrong, I’d get excited about a big splash in UFA just like almost all Packers fans. I just think that’s an unrealistic expectation because Thompson’s success at building the roster without high-priced UFAs reinforces his method of team building. As for whether or not the draft can fix the pass rush: IMO for next year’s D to improve, it will require more than talent acquisition: It’ll take better play from players already on the roster like Raji, Hawk (or his replacement), Williams and Shields in addition to an infusion of talent. To me the point about Jenkins and the other UFAs the Eagles signed is it’s an obvious example of UFAs not always being the solution, even if a team makes several “big splashes” in UFA. I previously made the point about the Packers finding a pass-rushing DE and/or OLB in the first 92 picks in the draft, but of course it’s possible they will find one later in the draft. Sometimes “pure pass rushers” fall in the draft because they aren’t “complete” players. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">BTW, Howard Green was a waiver wire pickup. All the teams ahead of the Packers passed on him so he was awarded to the Packers. If you go to the “How Built” link under TEAM on the Packers’ website, you’ll see 35 draftees, 30 free agents (the site says 29 but doesn’t count the new QB Hill), 3 waiver pickups and one trade. BTW, all but three of the draftees were picked by Thompson. I’ve read (again) that Thompson won’t keep Driver and/or Clifton and/or Wells because he prefers “his guys”. I don’t think that’s correct: Thompson’s bias is toward youth IMO, not his ego. Of the recent free agents, IMO So’oto, Lattimore and perhaps a healthy Zombo have a chance of filling the void at ROLB and improving the pass rush. A healthy Neal has a chance of contributing to it, too. None of those players should be counted upon but each has a chance IMO. However without “internal improvement” talent acquisition alone isn’t going to be enough IMO even if Thompson signs UFAs. And if everything else on D would have been the same this past season with the only exception being Jenkins was still a Packer, IMO the Packers would still be sitting at home (or in Hawaii), licking their wounds. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'">BTW II: I respect Desmond Bishop’s opinion, but regarding talent acquisition and building a team, I respect Ted Thompson’s opinion much, much more.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TJV, post: 430657, member: 4300"] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Tahoma]IMO when most of us talk about Thompson not using UFA we mean the well known and high priced UFAs that are pursued in the first hours and days of UFA. Thompson’s analysis over the years shows him teams are much more likely to make a huge mistake – money-wise, cap-wise, and team chemistry-wise - during that period than they are to “strike gold”. But that doesn’t mean Thompson doesn’t use UFA: Every time a Packers player tests the market and signs with the Packers, IMO that’s an UFA signing. Clifton and Jones are recent examples. But that’s not very exciting, is it? Thompson has also done well in UDFA – undrafted free agency – but for those who think the draft itself isn’t enough, the “leftovers” of the draft can hardly suffice. And he uses “traditional” UFA occasionally as well – like signing Chillar in 2008 as Kevin Seifert recently noted [U][URL='http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/52891/rodgers-recruiting-if-packers-enter-market']LINK[/URL][/U]. Seifert added, “in the past two seasons the Packers have won 29 of 37 games without tapping the quick fixes available in the free agent market.” That’s a 78% winning percentage and includes a title. Do you think that makes it more or less likely Thompson will change his ways? [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Tahoma]ExpatPacker asks what if it’s not possible to fix the pass rush through the draft alone and that’s a fair question. I think Thompson would say UFA isn’t a sure fix for it, either. Don’t get me wrong, I’d get excited about a big splash in UFA just like almost all Packers fans. I just think that’s an unrealistic expectation because Thompson’s success at building the roster without high-priced UFAs reinforces his method of team building. As for whether or not the draft can fix the pass rush: IMO for next year’s D to improve, it will require more than talent acquisition: It’ll take better play from players already on the roster like Raji, Hawk (or his replacement), Williams and Shields in addition to an infusion of talent. To me the point about Jenkins and the other UFAs the Eagles signed is it’s an obvious example of UFAs not always being the solution, even if a team makes several “big splashes” in UFA. I previously made the point about the Packers finding a pass-rushing DE and/or OLB in the first 92 picks in the draft, but of course it’s possible they will find one later in the draft. Sometimes “pure pass rushers” fall in the draft because they aren’t “complete” players. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Tahoma]BTW, Howard Green was a waiver wire pickup. All the teams ahead of the Packers passed on him so he was awarded to the Packers. If you go to the “How Built” link under TEAM on the Packers’ website, you’ll see 35 draftees, 30 free agents (the site says 29 but doesn’t count the new QB Hill), 3 waiver pickups and one trade. BTW, all but three of the draftees were picked by Thompson. I’ve read (again) that Thompson won’t keep Driver and/or Clifton and/or Wells because he prefers “his guys”. I don’t think that’s correct: Thompson’s bias is toward youth IMO, not his ego. Of the recent free agents, IMO So’oto, Lattimore and perhaps a healthy Zombo have a chance of filling the void at ROLB and improving the pass rush. A healthy Neal has a chance of contributing to it, too. None of those players should be counted upon but each has a chance IMO. However without “internal improvement” talent acquisition alone isn’t going to be enough IMO even if Thompson signs UFAs. And if everything else on D would have been the same this past season with the only exception being Jenkins was still a Packer, IMO the Packers would still be sitting at home (or in Hawaii), licking their wounds. [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=tahoma] [/FONT] [FONT=tahoma]BTW II: I respect Desmond Bishop’s opinion, but regarding talent acquisition and building a team, I respect Ted Thompson’s opinion much, much more.[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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