what would you trade for Richard Sherman?

[Deleted member 6794]

While we do need an experienced Corner, it would be wise to get a guy who gives us 4+ years and some stability in an area that is shaky.
We have a draft opportunity that is probably equal to 2 regular drafts combined at that position this year.
We should conceivably be able to get our guy by either round 2 or trade up in round 3 if need be.

I highly doubt that a rookie selected at the end of the first round immediately addresses the Packers need for a #1 cornerback. It's even more unlikely later in the draft.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

While we do need an experienced Corner, it would be wise to get a guy who gives us 4+ years and some stability in an area that has been a revolving door.
We have a draft opportunity that is probably equal to 2 regular drafts combined at that position this year.
We should conceivably be able to get our guy by either round 2 or trade up by round 3 if need be. it's very possible we can get a guy to come in and play like Casey Hayward did his rookie season and give that position much needed competition.
Weve got a lot of holes to fill but we need to focus on acquiring and adding talent not trading them away.
I'm excited to see who we snag this draft for our secondary. I hope he runs low 4.4s or better. I'm not getting the warm fuzzies with Sherman and my intuition is he might not be getting the warm fuzzies with coming to GB

All good in theory. My problem continues to revolve back to the 2015 draft as well as the immediate need for a #1 CB. In 2015 the Packers used their #1 (30) and #2 (62) at CB and 3 years later, here we sit. Neither Randall or Rollins were asked to be the #1 at that time either. Maybe the 2017 draft class has a stronger group of CB's than it did in 2015, but to assume we get an instant starter and answer at CB with the #29 or #61 pick, I have my reservations.

 

[Spanky]

I find it interesting that some people say the Packers won't get a quality starting CB in the draft because it takes time to develop as a CB--and the same people completely dismiss the possibility that Randall and Rollins could take a leap forward in their quality of play this season.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I find it interesting that some people say the Packers won't get a quality starting CB in the draft because it takes time to develop as a CB--and the same people completely dismiss the possibility that Randall and Rollins could take a leap forward in their quality of play this season.

There's no doubt Randall and Rollins could take a leap forward but relying on it is a huge gamble.

 

[Scotland Yard]

Sherman had at least three or four emotional outbursts last season alone that were distractions to his team. I believe there may be more stuff in the locker room that hasn't been reported, and if so, several of his teammates might just be sick of listening to him rant & rave all the time...certainly appears those running the team are tired of Sherman. I believe he's a grating personality with a huge ego, thinks he's right about everything and never stops yapping about his own brilliant opinions.

Can you imagine Sherman bellyaching over Capers' game plans after playing in the highly successful SEA defense?

No way do I want Sherman in the Packers' locker room. Draft Adoree Jackson (USC) at #29 (or whoever you like [i.e., Conley, White] if they fall to #29), and then draft Jourdan Lewis (Michigan) or Jalen Myrick (Minnesota) in the third round to play some slot/dime and we're all set.

Athletically speaking Adoree Jackson is all-world and fits right into the Sam Shields mold. On the other hand, if Sherman loses what little speed he had to begin with you'll be sorely disappointed you wasted a 1st round pick on him.

 

[Packer Brother]

I'd give up Cobb, HA HA,Hawk, 1st rounders and second.

 

[Mondio]

Sometimes it's really hard to tell if certain posters are being serious or not

 

[OldSchool101]

Maybe the 2017 draft class has a stronger group of CB's than it did in 2015, but to assume we get an instant starter and answer at CB with the #29 or #61 pick, I have my reservations.

That's a reasonable concern. But the point I'm making is we must go after a top Corner either way this draft and we may find ourselves with 2 Corners if we can't land a reasonable FA contract with a veteran. I'll agree we are certainly not in a position of strength or comfort in our backfield.
It's highly unlikely we are able to get Sherman even if we wanted him because there's so many variables to a deal like that.
It's time to move forward IMO and stop wishing in a star.

 

[PackerDNA]

There's no doubt Randall and Rollins could take a leap forward but relying on it is a huge gamble.

But that would appear to be the plan , wouldn't it? That, and 'fix it in the draft'.

 

[OldSchool101]

I highly doubt that a rookie selected at the end of the first round immediately addresses the Packers need for a #1 cornerback. It's even more unlikely later in the draft.

True there's no instant guarantees in any draft and I don't remember offering one? I said a guy that is gonna be our future (4+ Years). A longevity approach not an instant mash potatoes.
We've got 19 or so draft picks coming in 2017-2018 it's time to use that leverage.
Nobody said we have to wait until our pick if a superior CB is there this year.
I do believe there are several guys this year that will be starting by mid season but that's just a guess, we'll see.
We may be wise to pick 2 CBs again this year for competition at a vulnerable position.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That's a reasonable concern. But the point I'm making is we must go after a top Corner either way this draft and we may find ourselves with 2 Corners if we can't land a reasonable FA contract with a veteran. I'll agree we are certainly not in a position of strength or comfort in our backfield.
It's highly unlikely we are able to get Sherman even if we wanted him because there's so many variables to a deal like that.
It's time to move forward IMO and stop wishing in a star.

I think we are all speculating that the Packers are in dire need of a #1 CB and justifiably so. However, I am starting to think that TT and the Packers don't view it the same way, or they would have addressed the need by now. Something tells me that they feel they already have their #1 CB and he is currently on the team. Just speculation on my part and mainly because I don't think they can honestly expect to draft an instant #1 CB at #29. If it is the case, it would be risky thinking IMO and we may get our answer soon enough. If the first few rounds of the draft go by without the Packers taking a CB, we will know what TT and the Packers have been thinking all along.

 

[PackerDNA]

True there's no instant guarantees in any draft and I don't remember offering one? I said a guy that is gonna be our future (4+ Years). A longevity approach not an instant mash potatoes.
We've got 19 or so draft picks coming in 2017-2018 it's time to use that leverage.
Nobody said we have to wait until our pick if a superior CB is there this year.
I do believe there are several guys this year that will be starting by mid season but that's just a guess, we'll see.
We may be wise to pick 2 CBs again this year for competition at a vulnerable position.

Had things been done right- using draft and free agency- perhaps we wouldn't be in the position of talking about using 2 picks on a position that should be good to go while having so many other holes to attend to.

 

[longtimefan]

Maybe this is really an option for Packers?

 

[PackerDNA]

Maybe this is really an option for Packers?

Maybe it should be, but I doubt the current head honcho at 1265 will attempt it.

 

[brandon2348]

It would be a great option for us but I don't think the Seahawks will trade him to us. I would be shocked if they did and then even if they did would Thompson give up a 1st round pick for him?

I don't think it's gonna happen.

 

[Sky King]

Several of the so-called experts have opined that the draft this year is especially strong for DBs, RBs and edge rushers. If so, then it should not come as any surprise that Thompson will wait until the draft before he addresses some of those positions of need. And it would only be a mild surprise to me if he drafted a player or two in the early rounds for positions that nobody around here considers to be the immediate neediest areas on the team. Obviously he values some of his recent draft picks much more than some forumites do and he may still be all-in on them. No shocker there. Nobody thinks their baby is ugly.

If after the draft he somehow feels compelled to pan-through the FA leftovers plus JAG cast-offs for more potential (green &) gold. Now that would be typical TT. And if a quality player unexpectedly becomes available within the TT value range parameters, he might nibble.

Personally, I would be less-shocked if TT ignored CB altogether this upcoming draft than I would be if he were to trade for Richard Sherman between now and the draft. If he did the latter Murphy might be tempted to dial 9-1-1.

 

[RRyder]

Maybe it should be, but I doubt the current head honcho at 1265 will attempt it.

Definitely should be considered but I have my reservations about what I'd actually be OK with trading in order to get a guy who has excelled in a very specific scheme, which we don't run, and one that doesn't follow the #1 WR across the field. And that's before I even factor in cap ramifications.

I'd like to have him... But not at the likely cost. (I'd trade our 2nd in a heart beat but not our first and I'm guessing the asking price is in the area of a 1st and a 3rd)

 

[PackerDNA]

Definitely should be considered but I have my reservations about what I'd actually be OK with trading in order to get a guy who has excelled in a very specific scheme, which we don't run, and one that doesn't follow the #1 WR across the field. And that's before I even factor in cap ramifications.

I'd like to have him... But not at the likely cost. (I'd trade our 2nd in a heart beat but not our first and I'm guessing the asking price is in the area of a 1st and a 3rd)

That's the cautionary part of the deal, RRyder. Yeah, he's very good- better than anyone we have or likely would get in the draft. But I've always had a suspicion that he's a bit overrated, and basically for the points you made, and that I underlined.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Most are speculating that if a trade happens it would take at least a 1st and a 4th round pick, much like what the Jets got for Revis in 2013, but that was a #13 and a conditional pick that ended up being a 2014 4th rounder (#104). I doubt the #29 pick would interest the Seahawks, which might mean that the Packers would have to part with their 1st and 3rd at minimum. When this story first broke I didn't believe it was even plausible, but the more I have read about Sherman and his tumultuous relationship with the Seahawks, especially last year, I can see why they would do it for the right price. As desperate as the Packers are for a #1 CB and as good as Sherman is, I still don't think I would make the trade, nor do I think TT is even giving it much thought.

 

[brandon2348]

Why would we want Richard Sherman?

We might have to go to a super bowl then.

 

[Poppa San]

Why would we want Richard Sherman?

We might have to go to a super bowl then.

Really. PITA getting tickets for the posse, less off season down time. Higher prices to resign our free agents. Less time to prepare for the combine. Have to play more games. Can't play in the probowl. TT & MM get contract extensions. Let's just skip it. Again.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

But that would appear to be the plan , wouldn't it? That, and 'fix it in the draft'.

It seems the Packers front office is relying on Randall and Rollins to bounce back in a huge way as well as House providing veteran leadership. Of course that is extremely risky and not the approach I hoped for this offseason.

True there's no instant guarantees in any draft and I don't remember offering one? I said a guy that is gonna be our future (4+ Years). A longevity approach not an instant mash potatoes.

Unfortunately the Packers currently are in dire need of a #1 cornerback and don't have the time to develop a prospect for several seasons to take over the top spot on the depth chart down the road.

 

[McKnowledge]

TT should be doing everything he can to try and get him, but it just won't happen.

I think the Packer's first round pick would be enough. I think Seattle wants to get rid of Sherman at this point. The story keeps circulating. Both Sherman and Seattle keep chiming in. Hell, if Seattle wants more, why not give up the 29th pick in the first round, along with a third round pick from next year? With the exodus of some pretty good players leaving GB, I would imagine TT's coveted compensatory picks will fall into the 3-4 round range, not including GB's own third round pick from next year's draft. Green Bay gives up the 2017- 1st round (29th) pick and a 2018 3rd round pick for a true No.1 Cornerback Richard Sherman. He stays and signs long term...fine. He wants to leave, either trade him after this season or let him walk after the 2018 season. He leaves at that point, you recoup your third round pick, in the form of a compensatory pick. There's plenty of cap space in GB to take on Sherman's contract.

 

[C-Lee]

I think the Packer's first round pick would be enough. I think Seattle wants to get rid of Sherman at this point. The story keeps circulating. Both Sherman and Seattle keep chiming in. Hell, if Seattle wants more, why not give up the 29th pick in the first round, along with a third round pick from next year? With the exodus of some pretty good players leaving GB, I would imagine TT's coveted compensatory picks will fall into the 3-4 round range, not including GB's own third round pick from next year's draft. Green Bay gives up the 2017- 1st round (29th) pick and a 2018 3rd round pick for a true No.1 Cornerback Richard Sherman. He stays and signs long term...fine. He wants to leave, either trade him after this season or let him walk after the 2018 season. He leaves at that point, you recoup your third round pick, in the form of a compensatory pick. There's plenty of cap space in GB to take on Sherman's contract.

Whatever it takes to get him. He automatically makes this defense a LOT better.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Whatever it takes to get him. He automatically makes this defense a LOT better.

I agree Sherman would significantly improve the Packers defense but there's no reason to give up whatever it takes to acquire him. I would be fine with this year's first rounder and another mid round pick next year though.