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<blockquote data-quote="HardRightEdge" data-source="post: 566640"><p>Neither are stash friendly. Whether one is more so than the other is not the point. There's a reason PUP has the 6 week waiting period before a guy can practice...to repeat, to discourage stashing. There is no debate about why this rule is constructed the way it is.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That argument would be more credible if Guion were a proven commodity in the system. Your argument presumes the competition was over before it started.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Excuse me for thinking you were conflating the DE and NT positions. It couldn't possibly be that Worthy s*cks (in this system or generally, you choose) and Thompson saw an opportunity to get something for a guy he was going to cut regardless.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's a conjecture, not an argument. McCarthy's been all over the place in talking about injuries in recent years. He's quoted return times (too optimistically), has been way off, and made himself look like he doesn't know what he's doing. Starting last season, he's grown more curt on these matters; he's getting the hang of the Thompson way of saying as little as possible about things uncertain (which I have no problem with, by the way). That he would say, "I don't know when" surprises me not in the least and hardly indicates stashing. McCarthy is about "availability" as Job #1 and focus goes to the next man up. His curt answer to the question could be not wanting to talk about a situation he finds frustrating...like maybe not having a guy he thinks should be practicing because the docs won't release him.</p><p></p><p>So, what's next? Reading his body language?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I do believe guys get stashed on PUP, but I don't think that happens in any clearly identifiable way or with any regularity with guys who are supposed to be competing for a spot on the roster in the first place, who's never taken even a practice snap in the system, and who is fully healthy and ready to go. If I have a veteran player in the system, say, a serviceable starter, not a core player, who is expected to be out a couple of weeks into the season and I have credible backups, I might PUP him knowing he might miss a few games he could have played. PUPing a guy who should be practicing to earn a job doesn't make a lot of sense.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You missed the point. I mentioned Neal because of his candor in order to illustrate that some guys in competitive situations will want to play hurt. Unlike Neal, most will lie...like Flynn about his elbow and Williams about his shoulder nerve damage. The problem is we don't know they lied unless they confess to it which, as in these cases, might be a year later. Some guys would never confess because they don't want to sound like they're making excuses.</p><p></p><p>Why would you take at face value Guion's claim of being 100% when we know most players who want to compete hurt do not exhibit Neal's rare candor? It's certainly plausible that Guion was concerned for his job and wanted to accelerate his return.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HardRightEdge, post: 566640"] Neither are stash friendly. Whether one is more so than the other is not the point. There's a reason PUP has the 6 week waiting period before a guy can practice...to repeat, to discourage stashing. There is no debate about why this rule is constructed the way it is. That argument would be more credible if Guion were a proven commodity in the system. Your argument presumes the competition was over before it started. Excuse me for thinking you were conflating the DE and NT positions. It couldn't possibly be that Worthy s*cks (in this system or generally, you choose) and Thompson saw an opportunity to get something for a guy he was going to cut regardless. That's a conjecture, not an argument. McCarthy's been all over the place in talking about injuries in recent years. He's quoted return times (too optimistically), has been way off, and made himself look like he doesn't know what he's doing. Starting last season, he's grown more curt on these matters; he's getting the hang of the Thompson way of saying as little as possible about things uncertain (which I have no problem with, by the way). That he would say, "I don't know when" surprises me not in the least and hardly indicates stashing. McCarthy is about "availability" as Job #1 and focus goes to the next man up. His curt answer to the question could be not wanting to talk about a situation he finds frustrating...like maybe not having a guy he thinks should be practicing because the docs won't release him. So, what's next? Reading his body language? I do believe guys get stashed on PUP, but I don't think that happens in any clearly identifiable way or with any regularity with guys who are supposed to be competing for a spot on the roster in the first place, who's never taken even a practice snap in the system, and who is fully healthy and ready to go. If I have a veteran player in the system, say, a serviceable starter, not a core player, who is expected to be out a couple of weeks into the season and I have credible backups, I might PUP him knowing he might miss a few games he could have played. PUPing a guy who should be practicing to earn a job doesn't make a lot of sense. You missed the point. I mentioned Neal because of his candor in order to illustrate that some guys in competitive situations will want to play hurt. Unlike Neal, most will lie...like Flynn about his elbow and Williams about his shoulder nerve damage. The problem is we don't know they lied unless they confess to it which, as in these cases, might be a year later. Some guys would never confess because they don't want to sound like they're making excuses. Why would you take at face value Guion's claim of being 100% when we know most players who want to compete hurt do not exhibit Neal's rare candor? It's certainly plausible that Guion was concerned for his job and wanted to accelerate his return. [/QUOTE]
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