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<blockquote data-quote="HardRightEdge" data-source="post: 827890"><p>At root, in retrospect, the McCarthy-Rodgers relationship was not a great match to start with and ended up festering once the losses piled up. It's not that McCarthy was a bad coach or low IQ guy. A poor but manageable fit grew into an unmanageable one.</p><p></p><p>The Rodgers resentment over McCarthy passing him over for Smith in the draft as some lingering resentment is wildly overcooked. The problem was a difference in the approach to the game. McCarthy was a "process" guy, methodical and at times plodding. We saw evidence of the process preoccupation in McCarthy making a big deal out of his tinkering with camp and in-season schedules. Smith, as a game manager, was the better McCarthy fit if less talented. If something wasn't working McCarthy was going to stick with it as part of the "process", develop a play through repeated application. If we seperate QBs into either "game manager" or "playground", Rodgers clearly falls into the playground mode which is antithetical to the process mode. Rodgers is about doing what can work "right now", and if that means overriding a play call or extending plays, so be it.</p><p></p><p>Years of tension over fundamental differences over how the game should be played on Sunday didn't prevent winning under a detente. Losing has a habit of undoing that. Experience tells us this kind of thing happens in all kinds of organizations. Disagreements reach compromise however uncomfortable, nobody is entirely happy, but if success follows there's no complaint. Failure ends up with finger pointing.</p><p></p><p>We saw the young Mahomes out there on the playground and I can hear the the "Oh, no! Oh, yes!" running through Reid's head not unlike Holmgren's verbal expressions with Favre. Wilson ad libs on something like a 1/3 of his throws. Cleveland will rise or fall on Mayfield's playground talents regardless of the cocky stuff that comes out of his mouth.</p><p></p><p>The difference is that Mahomes and Wilson are winning enough to be in contention and Cleveland is on the rise. Just wait for their dry spells and and all the revisionist history about what was wrong from the beginning. Thinking about Wilson in particular, he was "all that" when going to Super Bowls, not all that with a couple of years of slow decline in team performance, and now "all that" again after a very good season.</p><p></p><p>Losing = piling on, whether it is justified or not.</p><p></p><p>LaFleur's job is to let Rodgers be Rodgers and maximize it. This notion of "reigning him in" is, frankly, ludicrious. LaFleur's general approach of running the ball to set up the deep throw is a good start and he's new to head coaching so he's more likely to view the project as a partnership. That's a good thing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HardRightEdge, post: 827890"] At root, in retrospect, the McCarthy-Rodgers relationship was not a great match to start with and ended up festering once the losses piled up. It's not that McCarthy was a bad coach or low IQ guy. A poor but manageable fit grew into an unmanageable one. The Rodgers resentment over McCarthy passing him over for Smith in the draft as some lingering resentment is wildly overcooked. The problem was a difference in the approach to the game. McCarthy was a "process" guy, methodical and at times plodding. We saw evidence of the process preoccupation in McCarthy making a big deal out of his tinkering with camp and in-season schedules. Smith, as a game manager, was the better McCarthy fit if less talented. If something wasn't working McCarthy was going to stick with it as part of the "process", develop a play through repeated application. If we seperate QBs into either "game manager" or "playground", Rodgers clearly falls into the playground mode which is antithetical to the process mode. Rodgers is about doing what can work "right now", and if that means overriding a play call or extending plays, so be it. Years of tension over fundamental differences over how the game should be played on Sunday didn't prevent winning under a detente. Losing has a habit of undoing that. Experience tells us this kind of thing happens in all kinds of organizations. Disagreements reach compromise however uncomfortable, nobody is entirely happy, but if success follows there's no complaint. Failure ends up with finger pointing. We saw the young Mahomes out there on the playground and I can hear the the "Oh, no! Oh, yes!" running through Reid's head not unlike Holmgren's verbal expressions with Favre. Wilson ad libs on something like a 1/3 of his throws. Cleveland will rise or fall on Mayfield's playground talents regardless of the cocky stuff that comes out of his mouth. The difference is that Mahomes and Wilson are winning enough to be in contention and Cleveland is on the rise. Just wait for their dry spells and and all the revisionist history about what was wrong from the beginning. Thinking about Wilson in particular, he was "all that" when going to Super Bowls, not all that with a couple of years of slow decline in team performance, and now "all that" again after a very good season. Losing = piling on, whether it is justified or not. LaFleur's job is to let Rodgers be Rodgers and maximize it. This notion of "reigning him in" is, frankly, ludicrious. LaFleur's general approach of running the ball to set up the deep throw is a good start and he's new to head coaching so he's more likely to view the project as a partnership. That's a good thing. [/QUOTE]
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