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What Grade Do You Give The Packers For The 08 Draft

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Profizzle99, Apr 27, 2008.

  1. Profizzle99

    Profizzle99 Cheesehead

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    Players Picked In Order
    Jordy Nelson (WR)
    60-Yard Shuttle Ranked #8 of 11 WR's
    Overall Athleticism of Top Events Participated Combine: #8 WR
    Positives: While he is not really "muscled up," he has the frame that can carry at least another 15 pounds of bulk without having it affect his overall quickness...Lacks blazing speed, but shows good balance, body control and change of direction agility to compensate...Showed marked improvement for boundaries and sticks as a senior, doing a nice job of keeping his feet in bounds along the sidelines...Competitive type who showed he is capable of handling the ball in pressure situations...Plays with good toughness and the desire to compete on every play...Impressed scouts and coaches by playing the 2006 season with a knee injury that would sideline most...Shows good flexibility extending for the ball in a crowd and has those large, soft hands that lets him catch most of the throws outside his frame...Would not call him sudden, but does have competitive quickness in his routes, showing a better thrust off the line as a senior than he did in the past...Has the functional strength to power through the chuck, having learned how to swim and use his hands to get a clean release (not held up much when he powers through defenders)...Still needs to work on his acceleration out of his cuts, but makes smooth and fluid body turns looking the ball in (needs to improve his hip sink, though)...Because of his deceptive speed and quickness, he has worked hard at dropping his weight and accelerating out of his cuts better than in the past (has improved his double cut ability)...Might not have that second gear to run away, but he can turn a defensive back and sell a route (more of a physical receiver who gets good separation when he pushes off and shoves the defensive back)...Will uncover in time for the quarterback to deliver the ball in the short area, as he is good at adjusting and finding the seams...Natural, soft hands catcher who makes very good over-the-shoulder adjustments and is capable of tracking and catching the ball in his hands (no longer cradles or body catches)...Big target who is productive on impact working over the middle...Shows the ability to screen the defender and has outstanding ball concentration, appearing very confident he can get to most throws in a crowd...Not a good fit for the deep passing game due to his burst issues, but he can catch outside his framework or go low to grab the shoestring throws...Does not have explosion after the catch, but when he squares his shoulders and stays low in his pads, he can break arm tackles...Times his leaps well and with his height and long arm reach, he excels at high pointing most throws...Does a good job of settling underneath and perhaps due to his playing experience at quarterback, he shows the feel for coming back when the pocket is pressured...While he lacks the strength to blow up defenders as a blocker, he will position to pester and stalk...Will not hesitate to sacrifice his body and lay out for the ball.

    Negatives: Has a good-size frame, but needs to add more muscle tone, especially in the upper body...More quick than fast, but must show better explosion coming off the snap, as he lacks a burst...Is still a work in progress recognizing defensive coverage, but made good strides finding the holes in the zone as a senior...Not really a vertical route runner, as he does not always gobble up the cushion and while he will gather to cut, he needs to show better hip sink...Mostly a position/pester type of blocker who will get in the way, but lacks the strength and hand placement to sustain...Better served playing in the slot than on the outside, as he has the frame to shield the ball from defenders and make the tough catch in a crowd, but does not have the timed speed to stretch the field.

    Brian Brohm (QB)
    40-Yard Dash Ranked #7 of 8 QB's
    Vertical Jump Ranked #4 of 9 QB's
    Broad Jump Ranked #1 of 8 QB's
    3-Cone Drill Ranked #4 of 6 QB's
    Overall Athleticism of Top Events Participated Combine: #4 QB
    Positives: Has a tall, well-proportioned frame with adequate muscle tone in the upper body...While he looks lean in his lower frame, he has the strength to absorb punishment standing in vs. the rush. Quick to change direction, showing the range of motion to escape pocket pressure...When forced to escape the pocket, he shows the balance and agility to gain yardage, but is not really used much as a running threat...His football IQ matches that of his academic skills...Knows the offense as good as the coaching staff and spends the extra hours studying tapes...Quick to grasp even the most complicated of offensive systems and will have no problems digesting the playbook...Shows the ability to make progression reads and shows good judgment in the pocket...Picks up changes in the defense almost immediately when operating under center and has the total confidence of his coach to devise game plans and execute it on the field...Could be more vocal on the field, but he has total command of the huddle. He hates "special treatment" that most quarterbacks require and prefers to be considered "one of the guys."...Likes the challenge and shows excellent toughness to stand tall and take the hit when the pocket collapses...Takes well to hard coaching and has a very business-like approach, just like the one that Drew Brees (Saints) has taken throughout his career...Even though he is perceived as a quiet leader, he will speak up when he needs to and has complete command in the huddle...Demonstrates the feet and balance needed to drive back from center, set up and be in position to unleash the ball in an instant...Has the body control to take the snap, drive off with his back foot and get to his set point before the defense can properly diagnose...Shows patience waiting for his target to uncover and excels at making progression reads, as it is very rare to see him lock on and throw to a receiver in coverage...Uses all of his targets with effectiveness and the thing you see on film is his ability to find his secondary targets, as he has that keen vision to scan the entire field before making that split decision to throw...When he throws with a high release, he demonstrates outstanding quickness, as he does a very good job of throwing across his body effectively...Smart enough to improvise on the move and shows a smooth and compact release...Puts good zip behind his tosses when throwing from the outside hashes and demonstrates the balance and agility to drive back from center to get to his set point...Knows how to place the deep ball, despite not having a cannon for an arm, as he is very effective at laying the ball over the top and down the seam...Can make the toss to the boundary and has made steady improvement on crossing routes...Has worked hard to vary the speed on his throws to make the completion, displaying the timing and consistency to make all of his throws, putting enough zip on his attempts to connect from the outside hash...Few young quarterbacks have the poise standing in the pocket that Brohm shows...Keeps calm under pressure, stands tall under the blitz and has the nimble feet to elude defenders shooting the gaps on stunts...Has the peripheral vision to quickly locate edge rushers and will not shy away from absorbing punishment and taking the hit in order to complete the pass...Has that mentality to know that he can make all of his throws, but is not the type that will get "happy feet" and run with the ball too early, as he is good at making quick decisions...Has a very good feel for pocket pressure, as he can throw well on the move and has the loose hips to redirect and avoid pressure...Shuffles his feet well to avoid low tackles and will not hesitate to step up in the pocket to make the completion...Won't scare any defender as a scrambler, but he shows good awareness and lateral agility to slide in the pocket and can square his shoulders to generate better accuracy throwing to his left or right...Has the ability to stand tall and hit his targets in stride on timing routes, showing a good feel in the pocket to make good decisions with opponents flushing him out of the pocket.

    Negatives: Needs to throw the ball with a better arc and trajectory, as he has had a fair amount of his passes deflected (34 in both 2005 and '06 and 33 in 2007)...Has less-than ideal arm length for a quarterback (29 5/8-inch length)...Needs to improve his lower-body strength and tone, especially in the quadriceps and calves...Has good mobility and quickness, but does not rely on his speed to be much of a threat running with the ball...Much has been expected from based on the accomplishments of his father and brothers, but he resisted family urges to apply early for the 2007 draft, as he felt another year in college would be more beneficial...Needs to refine his release point, as he tends to drop the ball near his waist when getting into throwing motion with a windmill action when he is trying to air the ball out...Can be systematic in his approach, getting the ball off quickly, but you can see a bit of a long windup when he throws long with a lower release point...Shows good zip on his short throws, but when he fails to set his feet, he will get into a rhythm where the receiver will have to accelerate in order to get to his tosses, as he will over-lead at times...Sometimes in the short area, he would throw too early, failing to hit his targets coming out of their breaks, but he refined his release a bit to be more over-the-top...Not a vocal type, and this could irk some position coaches, but will take command in the huddle and is a respected leader...Has good mobility and can roll either right or left and throw with accuracy, but could be more consistent in this area...Has enough skills to avoid and escape the pass rush, squaring his shoulders well, but with his lack of foot speed, he needs to improve timing on shallow crossing patterns to add another dimension to his game.

    Compares To: DREW BREES-New Orleans...Brohm is three inches taller and 15 pounds heavier than Brees, but both show tremendous poise standing in with the pocket tightening. Brohm has the drive back from center and to his pass-set point and the vision scan quickly to locate secondary targets. He is a high-percentage passer and good decision maker who will not force the ball into a crowd. While his arm strength isn't cannon-like, he is capable of making all the throws, showing good patience when attacking the middle of the zone. Even though the team struggled in 2007, he remained healthy as a senior, securing his spot as a probable first-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft.

    Patrick Lee (DB)
    -No Top Events in Combine-
    Positives: Has the triangle numbers teams love. ... That size helps him match up well against larger receivers. ... Is best on sideline patterns when he can turn and run, or in zone when he can close on the play in front of him. ... Has the strength to create turnovers and prevent yards after the catch. ... May get a shot as a kick returner because of his size and speed (averaged 25.8 yards on 11 returns in 2007).

    Negatives: Not a full-time starter until his senior year. ... Doesn't get a great jam on the line despite his size. ... Struggles to maintain his balance against quicker receivers, either mugging them to get to the ball or falling away, leaving them open. ... His backpedal is slow and high, and his change of direction skills are less than ideal.

    Jermichael Finley (TE)
    40-Yard Dash Ranked #8 of 8 TE's
    Broad Jump Ranked #7 of 7 TE's
    Overall Athleticism of Top Events Participated Combine: #7.5 TE
    Positives: Long, rangy, athletic build. ... Room to add considerable additional muscle mass. ... Natural receiver with soft hands to pluck passes out of the air. ... Rare body control for a player his size. ... Can contort in the air to adjust to the poorly thrown pass. ... Good leaping ability and can high-point the pass. ... Competes well for the ball. ... Good acceleration and top end speed for the position. ... Can make defenders miss and generate positive yardage after the catch. ... Improving blocker. ... Good physicality at the point of attack. ... Good hand placement. ... Emerging talent who is only going to get better.

    Negatives: Lacks top strength at the point of attack. ... Isn't yet stout enough as an inline blocker and will need time and effort in the weight room to add the size and strength to emerge as an all-around tight end. ... Leaves after only two seasons of playing action and has only 16 career starts.

    Jeremy Thompson (DE)
    40-Yard Dash Ranked #9 of 9 DE's
    Vertical Jump Ranked #7 of 11 DE's
    Broad Jump Ranked #9 of 10 DE's
    3-Cone Drill Ranked #3 of 10 DE's
    20-Yard Shuttle Ranked #5 of 10 DE's
    Overall Athleticism of Top Events Participated Combine: #6.6 DE
    Positives: Looks the part. Chiseled build with prototype shoulder width, arm length, height and weight. ... Good size and strength as a run defender. ... Keeps his pad level low and can anchor and create a pile against the run. ... Improved pass rusher who shows flashes of quickness. ... Pursues with effort. ... Worked hard to overcome a torn ACL in 2005. ... Limited in 2006, but showed improvement as a senior. ... Proved he belonged with the big boys at the Senior Bowl.

    Negatives: Lacks explosiveness in his play. ... Marginal burst off the snap, and despite his bulk and strength he isn't a forceful hitter. ... Marginal closing speed when playmaking opportunities are available. ... Struggles to locate the ball at times. ... Lacks hand technique and struggles to disengage from blocks. ... Torn ACL that ended his 2005 season prematurely warrants a close medical check at the Combine.

    Josh Sitton (OT)
    -No Top Events-
    Positives: Stout widebody who anchors well inside. ... Surprising lateral movement when on the edge, Sitton can get into a pass set quickly and maintain his balance. ... Pulls and traps effectively, and can get to the second level well off the snap to hit a moving target. ... Brings intensity to every play.

    Negatives: Times relatively well, but lacks overall athleticism. ... Not quite a pure mauler because he can move a bit, but is truly best in short areas. ... Can reach at times and struggle to recover. ... May struggle with the quickness of starting NFL three-techniques.

    Breno Giacomini (OT)
    40-Yard Dash Ranked #9 of 10 OT's
    Broad Jump Ranked #11 of 12 OT's
    3-Cone Drill Ranked #9 of 12 OT's
    20-Yard Shuttle Ranked #10 of 10 OT's
    Overall Athleticism of Top Events Participated Combine: #9.75 DE
    Positives: Has a developing frame that needs at least a good year in the training room to fully develop, but he can add at least another 25 pounds of bulk without the weight affecting his timed speed...Has a thick lower body with good calf and thigh development, but does need to show better knee bend...Lacks technique and upper body strength, but did a good job of using his size to lean into and occupy defenders...Has rare timed speed for an offensive tackle and moves around well for a big man, especially when getting into the second level...Needs to stay lower in his pads, but has a good concept for taking angles and did a very good job of stalking second-level defenders the later stages of 2007...Has good, light feet in his kick slide and does a good job of playing off edge rushers, keeping good position to prevent backside pursuit...Shows good mental awareness and is a smart player who has lined up at multiple positions, as he picks up things well and rarely blows an assignment...An above-average student in the classroom, he is starting to develop good nastiness, staying after blocks and finishing with aggression...Has shown a quick burst off the snap and good relationship with the guard and tight end to execute combo blocks working in-line...Has been described as the nastiest offensive lineman on the team and will not hesitate to get after defenders, even after the whistle...Possesses outstanding football character and is a hard worker in the weight room who does extra work on his own...Switched positions multiple times without a complaint and responds well to tough coaching...Has explosive initial quickness, as he gets out of his stance in time and changes directions well for a player his size...Shows good foot quickness, as his nimble feet allow him to move well in the open field and in his kick-slide...Can be a little lethargic, at times, but has good feet overall for a big man...When he uses his hands to lock on and control, he can ride the defender wide with adequate leg drive...Has the big hands and long arms to reach out and keep defenders off his outside shoulder...With his natural hands, he could be an inviting target on tackle-eligible plays.

    Negatives: Has had a rapid weight growth the last two years, but still has not developed neck and trapezoid muscles and has thin hips. That sometimes affect his anchor, as he does not sink his pads well, leaving him higher in his stance, which results in bull rushers having success driving him back into the pocket...Because of his tall stance, he flashes just adequate knee-bend and is a bit of a waist-bender...Needs to improve his hand quickness, as he lacks functional strength with his punch...As an in-line blocker, he needs to show better shuffling agility, as he is not the type who can skate, lacking strong movement at the X's...Needs to roll his hips better, as he does not turn quick enough to get proper body position and placement...Works to stay after his blocks, but needs to sustain better, as defenders can slide off and often get in run-off mode vs. him when he fails to keep his hands active in attempts to get good placement...Has only adequate ability as a run blocker, as he lacks the leg drive and power to generate much movement in-line...Even when he bends at his knees, he must do a better job of exploding through his blocks better...Possesses only adequate ability to pull and trap, as he might get out of his stance and into space quickly, but his pad level is very high and he will lose balance on the move...Shows a tendency to get eluded and slipped by defenders when pulling or trapping...Must be quicker when trying to adjust to downfield movement...Has the ability to advance to the second-level well, but needs better body control at the point-of-attack (did show improvement taking angles later in the 2007 season)...Allows defenders to get underneath him at the second level...Has only adequate ability as a pass-blocker, as he does display light feet in his pass set, but his hands can be a little slow to get into the defender's body... Displays too much latch and lean with his athleticism and needs to be quicker with his hands to strike a blow rather than pushing and leaning into his man with his body...Works to keep his hands inside, but lacks the violent punch needed to deliver a good blow and takes too long to recoil.
     
  2. tromadz

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    I'll vote in an hour when the draft is over.
     
  3. bozz_2006

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    I'll vote in three or four years when we see what these guys do on the field in the NFL
     
  4. all about da packers

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    I'm not exactly sure it's fair to give Ted a grade this early, and I'm confused about the grading system above.

    We had 9 draft picks, so not sure about the out of 7 rating system...

    Out of 9 draft picks, 5 or 6 could be considered needs, so that's more than half our draft picks. Not sure how that'd translate to the above grading system, 5/7?
     
  5. johnny_blood

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    I don't follow college football so I can't really judge these things.

    However I trust TT and he didn't change his strategy this year, so I think we should all be optimistic.

    I am very pleased that we drafted Brohm (and apparently got very good value). I want Thompson and McCarthy to turn Green Bay back into a QB factory, and I want to replace Brett with young players who have possible upside, not retreads like Leftwich/Culpepper/Holcomb/etc. Now that we are going back to reality without Brett, we are going to actually see backups playing with some regularity. I don't think there are any good free agents that fit our WCO, so I'd rather take a chance on a rookie.
     
  6. wpr

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    Incomplete. He pickup players that will be better down the road
     
  7. Favreforever721

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    What grading system are you following? Usually people grade the draft with an A,B,C,D,or F.

    It is way too early to tell, but I love the Brian Brohm pick in the 2nd round.
     
  8. arrowgargantuan

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    fa shizzle.
     
  9. Greg C.

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    Of course it's too early to grade, and I don't follow college football that closely anyway. I'll just say that the first two picks made me scratch my head. Nelson and Brohm look like quality players, but at this point they are just depth picks. After that, Ted addressed the areas that most needed to be addressed--CB, TE, DE, and OL (2 picks)--before taking a flyer on another QB and another WR.

    I think it was an okay draft. The trades appeared to be sound, and we even gained a little something (a 6th rounder) for next year.
     
  10. porky88

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    Remember all the D grades the Packers got last year? Then remember all the rookie contributions from last year.

    Grading a draft right now is something we all do but really there is no definite answer that can be given right now.
     
  11. BryanAschenbrenner

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    I give this draft 3' 2", with the opportunity of adding 13" and a 1/4 inch if Brohm is forced to step up and becomes an awesome quarterback.
     
  12. Zombieslayer

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    I'll vote in 3 years. I think 3 years is sufficient time to judge.

    That said:

    2005:
    1. Aaron Rodgers - Turned out to be an excellent pick. If he stays healthy, he's our QB of the future. I have utmost faith in him.
    2. Nick Collins - Currently our starting FS. I'm predicting he's our 2nd FS by week 8, but still, a good pick here because he started for us and did an acceptable job.
    2. Terrance Murphy - Injury ended his career
    4. Marviel Underwood - Released and plays for the Denver Broncos now
    4. Brady Poppinga - Starting OLB. He's adequate. Played better in the 2nd half of '07 and shows promise to keep improving his game.
    5. Junius Coston - Backup OL. Rotates in and is an adequate backup
    5. Michael Hawkins - Released and was picked up by the Vikings
    6. Michael Montgomery - Backs up Aaron Kampman. An adequate at best backup. His playing days in GB may be over in '08.
    6. Craig Bragg - Released and last played in Europe
    7. William Whittacker - Released after two years in GB.

    We have 3 starters and our QB of the future. Two of the starters will very likely be on the bench in '08, but they're still good players. I'll give it a B+.
     
  13. bigfog

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    C'mon now. Don't be that guy. Let the media waste all their words on who were the "winners" and "losers" of the draft.

    How can you grade an incomplete project. When I hand in an assignment into school, do I get graded while I'm writing it? No, I don't. I get graded after I hand it in and the professor takes a look at it.

    Think about it from that perspective.
     
  14. Zombieslayer

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    Technically, you'll be grading an assignment before it gets turned in. :roll:
     
  15. Chamuko

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    I have never been a TT lover at all BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT that it seems that the guy knows about drafting people.

    AND THIS DRAFT is the one that I like more in his days in GB...

    I like this DRAFT I think TT got a high grade and a lot of good stuff for the team.

    This season will let us know how good we really are.
     
  16. NDPackerFan

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    My.........eyes.........are...........crossing. :shock:
     
  17. arrowgargantuan

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    lol...thanks for quoting that ND.
     
  18. Profizzle99

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    Haha, just wanted to put all our players info in 1 spot, after the picks listed none of our other players matter.
     

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