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What Former Packer Would Help Us The Most?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by El Guapo, Apr 23, 2013.

  1. rodell330

    rodell330 Cheesehead

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    Brett Farve??? he said help us, not throw a costly int.
     
  2. rodell330

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    Yea especially playing against a line like ours...scary.
     
  3. ivo610

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    Would like to hear people's thoughts on white in the 3-4
     
  4. HardRightEdge

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    OK, so where's the Matt Flynn post?
     
  5. 13 Times Champs

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    Reggie of course (isn't the club move extinct???) but I'd love to have a young Charles Woodson.
     
  6. Poppa San

    Poppa San SB I trophy First of four Staff Member Moderator

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    Reggie and Woodson were taken so I'd go with the best OLB
    Dave Robinson
     
  7. rodell330

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    Wouldn't be as effective seeing how the really good pass rushers in the 3-4 defenses are typically olb's.
     
  8. mradtke66

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    It'd be interesting. He wouldn't get as many rushes as he used to, but he'd get his chances. If anything, with a lineman like Reggie, I'd vote for playing nickel even more. He's good enough for it to work.
     
  9. PackFanNChiTown

    PackFanNChiTown Bear Fan's Bane

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    Yet one more reason why I'm sticking with my Collins pick in this delightful hypothetical.

    Besides which I'm getting a lot of "WTF ARE YOU SMOKING?" responses which means I get to add a little variety to this little discussion. :)
     
  10. realcaliforniacheese

    realcaliforniacheese A-Rods Boss

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    Soooooo, what are you smoking????:cool:
     
  11. PackFanNChiTown

    PackFanNChiTown Bear Fan's Bane

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  12. mayo44

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    Well, since you're going to go with a safety and we're talking about any Packer player in his prime, I'm sorry, but LeRoy Butler > Nick Collins.
     
  13. PackFanNChiTown

    PackFanNChiTown Bear Fan's Bane

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    I can live with that.
     
  14. Sunshine885500

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    I would take Reggie White (1) & Ted Hendricks (2)
     
  15. HardRightEdge

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    You mean like J.J. Watt? Or Justin Smith? Or even Calais Campbell?

    Besides, it's not flag football...yet.
     
  16. HyponGrey

    HyponGrey Caseus Locutus Est

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    How do you not pick Reggie White? (Unless you don't believe athleticism, power, attitude, and technique don't transition into the modern era.)

    Collins is my second choice, followed by Nitschke
     
  17. JBlood

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    Here's our needs:

    Safety: Willie Wood
    Corner: Herb Adderley
    Linebacker: Nitschke and/or Robinson
    D lineman: Reggie
    Tackle: Forrest Gregg ("best player" according to Lombardi)
    Center: Jim Ringo

    We could win another 5 Championships with 'em.
     
  18. mradtke66

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    So this list is a little more prone to "WTF are you thinking?"

    Does Nitschke translate to the modern game? He might only be a 2-down player in what is currently a passing league.

    Ringo was the size of a modern NFL safety--he played at 211 pounds. He was undersized WHEN HE PLAYED.

    Gregg has the same basic question as BOTH of the above. He is undersized (250 playing weight, but at least he has the height to MAYBE bulk up) and does he have the feet to be an elite pass protector? LT was a different position back when he played.

    I hope you're just joking.
     
  19. JBlood

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    "I hope you're just joking."

    Apparently you never saw any of them play. I'm not joking. And they would all be big enough to play in today's game, given today's training. Nitschke 6'3'' 235, Ringo 6'1" 232, Gregg 6'4" 249.
     
  20. JBlood

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    Larry McCarren was 6'3" and played at 250. Have you seen him today? Thin. He'd play over 300 today, just as all the old timers would, given training today.
     
  21. mradtke66

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    Huh?

    Ringo = 232. Modern Centers = 300. Ringo made his money being quick and pulling. In the modern game, he's breakfast for a NT, and the MLB behind him, who is STILL ~20 pounds bigger than Ringo, uses the leftovers for tooth picks.

    Gregg = 250. Modern Tackles = 310+. My question on him is more about skillset. He was a great tackle in his day, before the concept of edge rushers really existed. We don't know if he can hack it in the modern game at all. Or can if he can add 40-70 pounds on his frame and still do his job.

    Same idea with Nitschke. Great all-around player in his day, but I don't look at him and say, "There's a guy who can turn and run with pass catching TEs and Running backs in man to man coverage." If he can't do that, he's no more valuable to us than Hawk.

    The further you go back in NFL history, the harder it is to project them to the modern game, simply because of how much it has changed. Reggie works because he didn't play that long ago, he was a physical freak when he did play, and his job is more or less unchanged from when he did play.
     
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  22. Whatthehellsgoinonouthere

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    Butler, Nitschke, Gilbert Brown, James Lofton, are the first names that jump to mind
     
  23. Whatthehellsgoinonouthere

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    Believe it or not, Larry played at 235 at the end of his career. Inside Linebackers are bigger than that now!
     
  24. mradtke66

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    You presume too much. How do you know Gregg, for example, would take another 50 pounds to his frame? It might not be in his genetics. He might, at best, have the body of a strong-side 4-3 defensive end.

    How do you know he has the feet to block the Wares, Matthews, and Allens of the modern NFL? He didn't have to do that when he played?

    Suppose he can handle 50 more pounds AND he does have the feet to play tackle in 2013. Do you know for certain that he can add those 50 pounds and still move well enough?

    How are his hands? Arm length? Remember, when he played, offensive linemen couldn't use their hands. He might be a terrible pass protector all around.

    Would any player from the old days be a better athlete in the modern game? Absolutely. Can we predict exactly how? Nope. It is entirely possible the best players to pick from the 1960s for the modern game were either bench warmers or not even in the league back then. Different skillsets are preferred, we have more specialists, and substitutions. Taken to the extreme, maybe Bubba who worked a farm in the 1960s, a guy no one has ever heard of, would have taking to regimented training better than anyone on the Packers 1960s roster. As a result, he takes Gregg's job and forgotten to history.
     
  25. PFanCan

    PFanCan That's MISTER Cheesehead, to you.

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    Just to add a new name to this thread:

    How about a good reliable place kicker?

    Jan Stenerud
     

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