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Week 6 vs Detroit MNF: Time For Big Time Payback

Discussion in 'Green Bay Packers Fan Forum' started by PackerfaninCarolina, Oct 7, 2019.

  1. PackerfaninCarolina

    PackerfaninCarolina Cheesehead

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    OK, yes I admit my anti Detroit tirades on the forum as of late have been me stewing about the last 2 years and ... Well even more so about that awful season finale last season. So hence yes, I want the Packers to not only win but inflict maximum pain in doing so and kick their heads as payback.

    There now having gotten that out of the way, I can't lie that Stafford is still the second best QB in the NFC North better than Trubisky/Daniel or Cousins. Certainly Alexander, King and Sullivan are going to need to hold their own against Golloday, Marvin Jones and Marvin Hall.

    On the flipside, even with the imperfections and incomplete series, we did show this offense could score even without Davante Adams. We'll keep an eye on him this week, but if he gets back then we're in even better shape.

    We all know the Lions have had our number the last couple years, BUT ... Here's a few things to remember:

    1. In 3 of the last four meetings Rodgers either did not play period or did not finish the game

    2. The last game we were under an interim HC with the staff about to exit so it appeared our guys were already quitting on the season

    3. While Stafford has had good games against us, I do not believe he has ever beaten us when we've scored the first TD of the game. In all 5 of our games this year, we've done that and have been tremendous at starting fast.
     
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    I really only watched their last game, and their run game looks to be very good and Golloday and Jones were making defenders look silly in the pass game and if they didn't, they just went up and caught it anyway no matter who was trying to break it up. Not sure if that's how they look every week, but it showed what they're capable of.

    Defense looked good. yards aren't going to be easy.
     
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    it'll be another test for our D. the det O has been pretty potent. their D has been bad though (bottom third of the league in points and yards per game allowed). looks like it's shaping up to be a shootout. i think their winning streak over the Packers comes to an end though. maybe this will be the game our O can show up for all 4 quarters.
     
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  4. PackerfaninCarolina

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    Well aside from the Chargers game, but old man Phillip Rivers must retire.

    Anyway, like I said, usually seems like whenever we get a big jump early in the game on these guys and get them behind, Stafford tends to start being less careful and looking like Dak Prescott was yesterday.

    Now, in previous years his pass attempts were also up a lot more in games. The Darell Bevell offense has a lot more balance with Kerryon Johnson and more willingness to stick with it. But still, get a good enough lead and they may have to abandon that.
     
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    I expect most games to be a dogfight with this Packers team until the offense gels and the defense tightens things up. I dont see us running away from teams. I do like our tendancy to start off fast against this current Lions team though. If we do that on offense I could see stafford folding a bit. He has a tendancy to do that especially if the other team gets pressure
     
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  6. PackerfaninCarolina

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    Other thing that just came to mind just now is our special teams. I think we gotta keep the ball away from Agnew. Also ... I don't expect Crosby to have another 4 FG miss outing against these guys this time.
     
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    We're due for a win against these guys.
     
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    Think we should stick with the winning formula. Stuff the run game and force Stafford to throw (esp if we get a big lead in first half) and he'll be good for a couple of turnovers.

    Their O-Line is pretty good, but I believe the Smiths are better. Some pressures and hurries will send him on his way for inaccurate passing.

    Amen to that!
     
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  9. MichiganSportsTalk

    MichiganSportsTalk Lions fan for longer than I can remember

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    Every year, "Stafford good for a couple turnovers". Every year, doesn't happen....

    Someone has not been paying attention this year....
     
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    I think that we like to think of the Lions as our little brother team. We can sit on their heads and fart. We can give them noogies. We can beat them in a wrestling match. Then little brother pins your over-confident butt to the dirt in the backyard and you notice.

    The Lions have beaten us four straight games. They have my respect. There are those that would say "same old Lions" and I agree with that somewhat, because they do have a tendency to regress to their norm. They played a very good game against a supremely talented Chiefs team, and I expect them to play us very tough. This isn't the 2011 Packers and they aren't the 2011 Lions.
     
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    The Lions had a top 10 defense last year and have had a ton of injuries on defense this year. They had 4 defensive players out vs KC and almost won.

    Mike Daniels was out vs KC and hasn’t been 100% all season. He was getting limited snaps as a result.

    Pro Bowl CB Slay was out vs KC.

    Pass rush specialist D. Hand hasn’t played all year. He had 8 sacks as a rookie last year.

    Starting MLB Davis missed the first 3 games and played sparingly last game.

    Starting CB Melvin missed two games and part of the two other games.

    Starting safety Q. Diggs went out early vs KC.

    Snacks Harrison has been playing through an injury and getting limited snaps. He hasn’t been the dominating run force he was last year.

    On offense Stafford played through a hip injury the last two games. It hasn’t slowed him much but he claimed vs KC that it’s the closest he’s come to missing a game. He played with a broken back last year and broken finger on his throwing hand the year before. So that’s an interesting statement he made.

    Starting LT Decker missed game one
    Starting RG Wiggins missed game one
    Starting RT Wagner missed game two.
    Starting TE TJ. Hockinson was knocked out early vs KC.

    They have been pretty banged up and they are coming off a bye week that they needed to get healthy.

    It’s possible that all of these players could be healthy this week.
     
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    ...and it's still possible that the Lions will lose
     
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    Overconfidence on the fans part probably. On the players part? Likely not. Team obviously got handicapped with a sh*tty QB in 2017 when Rodgers was out. 2018 ... Well a HC who was on his way out, a bad guard named Lane Taylor and our usually reliable kicker having a way off day in the first meeting doomed us. In the second, Rodgers didn't finish and there was obviously an apathetic bunch out there who just wanted to go on vacation for the offseason.

    I sense neither overconfidence nor apathy coming from this group. They know damn well what's happened over the last couple years and I get the sense they are ready to send the message to Detroit that they haven't forgotten and are going to get retribution. Send them a message that their luck has run out, and back to the cellar they must go.
     
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    This guy predicting a win likely means big trouble for us. :eek:
     
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    OldSchool101 Peerless Beer, Lacrosse WI

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    Ok. I’m not trying to be mean, but we have been playing what I would call “with some inconsistencies” this season there on Offense. Either we run it well..or we pass it well. Or we Run and Pass in an underwhelming fashion. But not a complete O game thus far. That’s actually good news.

    We’re really a different team with a different identity beginning to take form. Were not staunch there on D, but we’re very opportunistic. We’re getting our swag. We lost to the Eagles and that should’ve really been an OT game and it was with a NEGATIVE turnover ratio. This game will be a comparable opponent to Philly, but with a slightly lesser D.

    As long as we play clean and don’t hurt ourselves too often with the self inflicted penalty yardage. As long as our D go => on the takeaways? The Lions will be surprised at how different we look. So far teams still see us as last years version..heck even many of our own fans do! and that’s deceptively wrong because even with our inconsistent play we’ve beat good teams without too much problem. But the rest of the league is still behind us in recognizing this.

    Pretty even match with the Lions playing good ball right now. Home-field is GB. GB brings one home for their fans and gets back to consecutive Wins. God willing, We will get One game closer to the “complete” game where we we just open up the throttle.

    With KC around the Corner, we need this Win.

    GB 30
    Lions 26
     
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    Absolutely.... The NFCN north has 4 teams capable of winning it this year. I won’t be shocked if two teams have 10 plus wins. I also wouldn’t be shocked if the NFCN beat up on each other. It’s going to be fun watching how it all shakes out and who finishes where.
     
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    The NFCN is like watching a horse race with one horse leading (the Pack) but multiple lead changes occurring just behind him. It’ll come down to the final straightaway.
     
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    Actually, I say LaFleur should go for 2 if we score a TD at that juncture and not risk giving Philly a chance to drive for a TD in OT, especially if they won the coin toss. At least then posters would have to stop the comparisons of him to Mike McCarthy.
     
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    hey after my reverse picks finally failed in the phi game i picked a win for the dal game. i'm 4-1 too.
     
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    Pokerbrat2000 Opinions are like A-holes, we all have one.

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    The Packers are better than I expected, mainly on defense. Besides and including the defense, one of the biggest reasons they are 4-1, IMO, is turnovers. They are tied with the Patriots at a +7 to lead the league. The Eagles game I believe was the only game that we had more turnovers (2) than the team we played.

    Hopefully, the turnovers can continue to go the Packers way, as will the wins.

    https://www.footballdb.com/stats/turnovers.html
     
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    Neither team is the same as what took the field last year. Some humility might go a little further in this meeting, I think. The Lions can't be taken lightly. Hopefully, this is the game where the Packers put the whole thing together. I've been looking forward to that for a while.

    Man, I've been wanting the Packers to become a power run team for years. I'm super happy seeing they are finally having some success with the run, and I hope it continues, because it provides so many benefits. Especially with a 2-time MVP at QB.

    DET has a sound passing game and a well ranked OL in that dept. Their run blocking not so much, and their run game abysmal. Their DL fairly well ranked v. run #16, not good at all v. pass #24 (Football Outsiders). Those factors alone can point to a long day for DET.

    If we can get some TOs from Stafford and his team early, the Packers can right this recent dip in record. Pedal to the metal.

    Will it be a pick party for the GB secondary? I think the potential is there. They may try running on us more than we might think though, as our #s v. the run have been equally abysmal through 5 games.
     
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    The Packers don't have to look very far back in history to remember what can happen when you play a home night game, as a favorite. I think most thought the Packers would beat the Eagles a few weeks ago and ouch!

    Packers are going to have to play some solid football to beat the Lions.
     
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    I don't know what their run game ranking is, but i don't think either RB is abysmal.
     
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    I think it depends on the ebb n flow. They had already stopped us on downs at the 1 yard line in 4 tries. Also the score is deceptive because the Eagles started inside the Packer 35 yard line multiple times. Our 2 turnovers led to the points that beat us. Our D really wasn’t as bad as the score showed.

    I would’ve kicked the extra point and pinned them deep with the less than 30 sec on the clock. Who knows OT we may win the toss. I don’t think our D would’ve let them more than 3 points if they win the toss. Their O was the recipient of 2 drives starting in Field goal range. Make them go 75 yards or win the toss and go 75 yards. Make it a QB dual. I’d take the easy point there and tie the game n go with the momentum.
     
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    Just going off the FO rankings. Of 34 rushers, Johnson ranks #34 DYAR and #32 in DVOA. Aaron Jones ranks #3 and #5 respectively. Those are different from what Johnson did last year, and I'm not putting much into it. Our D needs to stop the run better than they have. Monday is not a time to allow a DET RB to go nuts.
     

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