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<blockquote data-quote="sschind" data-source="post: 799286" data-attributes="member: 10247"><p>Are you a lawyer? If you can't refute the testimony try to discredit the witness. <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/biggrin.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /><img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/biggrin.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /><img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/biggrin.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>First you say<strong> Interesting you'd put stock into what he says considering how he left. </strong>Would you say we should also disregard anything Brett Favre says considering the way he left,or anyone else who may have left under not so pleasant terms. That may include players like Ty Montgomery or Ha Ha Clinton-Dix in the near future. Should we look at anything they say and dismiss them as sour grapes?</p><p></p><p>Then you say <strong>Jermichael "Stonehands" Finely </strong>and <strong>forget about the headcase Finley could be</strong> and <strong>Let's not forget about all the dropped passes he had during his time here, </strong>as if insinuating he was making stuff up about Rodgers to make up for any shortcomings he may have had. </p><p></p><p>Then you discount what Driver had to say by saying <strong>So let's not twist what Driver actually said. He wasn't critical of Rodgers in my estimation. </strong>It's fine that you don't interpret what Driver said as being critical but lets not pretend that you know what he meant. We all read or see things and interpret them differently but unless the quote is very specific with nothing open to interpretation its difficult to say if your interpretation is any more accurate than any others.</p><p></p><p>Finally you make one last attempt to discredit what some say by pointing to the fact that others have said nothing negative or even had positive things to say. Just because some players don't respond in one way doesn't mean that those who do are wrong. I would guess that the majority of players who leave their teams would have some negative things to say about certain team mates but they don't say them because they are either not built that way or they realize nothing good can come of it.</p><p></p><p>Now, having said all that and started off by putting myself on your bad side I will say that you may very well be right. I am not saying that Aaron Rodgers is not a good leader. I think he is a very competitive person and holds everyone, himself included, to very high standards. He has, on many occasions included himself when saying "we" need to play better. I think he is very critical of players who make mistakes and it can sometimes look as if he is blaming others when in fact he may be right. "I called an out and you ran an in. You should know better" Depending on how he communicates this it may look as if he is dressing the player down but in the heat of the game it may be difficult to come up with a more tactful way of saying things. Some people are just better at that than others. I can certainly see how those critical of Rodgers in the leadership category can get that opinion but I think a lot of it simply stems from frustration at the lost opportunities and doesn't necessarily lend itself to any specific character flaws. </p><p></p><p>In an olive branch offering I'd say judging from your first post here you will be an asset to the site. Welcome and go Packers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sschind, post: 799286, member: 10247"] Are you a lawyer? If you can't refute the testimony try to discredit the witness. :D:D:D First you say[B] Interesting you'd put stock into what he says considering how he left. [/B]Would you say we should also disregard anything Brett Favre says considering the way he left,or anyone else who may have left under not so pleasant terms. That may include players like Ty Montgomery or Ha Ha Clinton-Dix in the near future. Should we look at anything they say and dismiss them as sour grapes? Then you say [B]Jermichael "Stonehands" Finely [/B]and [B]forget about the headcase Finley could be[/B] and [B]Let's not forget about all the dropped passes he had during his time here, [/B]as if insinuating he was making stuff up about Rodgers to make up for any shortcomings he may have had. Then you discount what Driver had to say by saying [B]So let's not twist what Driver actually said. He wasn't critical of Rodgers in my estimation. [/B]It's fine that you don't interpret what Driver said as being critical but lets not pretend that you know what he meant. We all read or see things and interpret them differently but unless the quote is very specific with nothing open to interpretation its difficult to say if your interpretation is any more accurate than any others. Finally you make one last attempt to discredit what some say by pointing to the fact that others have said nothing negative or even had positive things to say. Just because some players don't respond in one way doesn't mean that those who do are wrong. I would guess that the majority of players who leave their teams would have some negative things to say about certain team mates but they don't say them because they are either not built that way or they realize nothing good can come of it. Now, having said all that and started off by putting myself on your bad side I will say that you may very well be right. I am not saying that Aaron Rodgers is not a good leader. I think he is a very competitive person and holds everyone, himself included, to very high standards. He has, on many occasions included himself when saying "we" need to play better. I think he is very critical of players who make mistakes and it can sometimes look as if he is blaming others when in fact he may be right. "I called an out and you ran an in. You should know better" Depending on how he communicates this it may look as if he is dressing the player down but in the heat of the game it may be difficult to come up with a more tactful way of saying things. Some people are just better at that than others. I can certainly see how those critical of Rodgers in the leadership category can get that opinion but I think a lot of it simply stems from frustration at the lost opportunities and doesn't necessarily lend itself to any specific character flaws. In an olive branch offering I'd say judging from your first post here you will be an asset to the site. Welcome and go Packers. [/QUOTE]
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