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<blockquote data-quote="jaybadger82" data-source="post: 447666" data-attributes="member: 6211"><p>Yeah, morningwood explains it very clearly above in post #58. It's misleading to call her independent and White was misleading the public in her statement about what Hargrove directly admitted to. The falsity of her statement didn't become clear until an actual copy of Hargrove's statement was leaked.</p><p> </p><p>We're well aware that you've reached your own conclusions about Hargrove's participation in the bounty program. The only reason we're talking about Mary Jo White is because you cited her in support of your position in post #47. We know two things about White: (1) she is biased and (2) she made misleading public statements concerning the content of Hargrove's statement. My original advice remains: it's foolish to cite White as some kind of credible, independent support for your position...</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Well, it's the NFL's business to appeal to fans and it's handling of this matter has probably stirred some lasting resentment amongst Saints fans. Had the league disclosed more of its evidence against the suspended players it would have softened such resentment. Basically, the commissioner could have easily handled these punishments in a manner that invites less criticism...</p><p> </p><p>Regardless of your or my opinions on the matter, <strong>the legal dispute currently revolves around whether Goodell actually possesses the authority under the new CBA to issue suspensions in this case</strong>. (The Big Ben situation occurred under the old CBA and dealt with a simple personal conduct issue, which was clearly within Goodell's authority to discipline.) Under the new CBA, the NFL agreed to send certain matters to third party arbiters. The question here is whether this matter represents one of those that should be decided by an arbiter.</p><p> </p><p>Your concerns that an arbiter may not have the league's image in mind might be answered by pointing out that the commissioner has <em>only</em> the league's image in mind. As you're so fond of saying, you can't look at this in a vacuum: Given the concussion lawsuits facing the league, Goodell has a strong interest in being severe and uncompromising with these players. (I suspect the league's reluctance to produce greater evidence supporting these suspensions has a lot to do with fears that it might appear casual in its investigation and eradication of bounty programs. These programs were only wiped out recently and this probably would not play well with a jury in a civil trial.) Your concerns about arbitration are foolish: an arbiter would more likely come to an unbiased decision that balances both the league's interest in reigning in bounty programs and a penalty actually warranted by the evidence.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jaybadger82, post: 447666, member: 6211"] Yeah, morningwood explains it very clearly above in post #58. It's misleading to call her independent and White was misleading the public in her statement about what Hargrove directly admitted to. The falsity of her statement didn't become clear until an actual copy of Hargrove's statement was leaked. We're well aware that you've reached your own conclusions about Hargrove's participation in the bounty program. The only reason we're talking about Mary Jo White is because you cited her in support of your position in post #47. We know two things about White: (1) she is biased and (2) she made misleading public statements concerning the content of Hargrove's statement. My original advice remains: it's foolish to cite White as some kind of credible, independent support for your position... Well, it's the NFL's business to appeal to fans and it's handling of this matter has probably stirred some lasting resentment amongst Saints fans. Had the league disclosed more of its evidence against the suspended players it would have softened such resentment. Basically, the commissioner could have easily handled these punishments in a manner that invites less criticism... Regardless of your or my opinions on the matter, [B]the legal dispute currently revolves around whether Goodell actually possesses the authority under the new CBA to issue suspensions in this case[/B]. (The Big Ben situation occurred under the old CBA and dealt with a simple personal conduct issue, which was clearly within Goodell's authority to discipline.) Under the new CBA, the NFL agreed to send certain matters to third party arbiters. The question here is whether this matter represents one of those that should be decided by an arbiter. Your concerns that an arbiter may not have the league's image in mind might be answered by pointing out that the commissioner has [I]only[/I] the league's image in mind. As you're so fond of saying, you can't look at this in a vacuum: Given the concussion lawsuits facing the league, Goodell has a strong interest in being severe and uncompromising with these players. (I suspect the league's reluctance to produce greater evidence supporting these suspensions has a lot to do with fears that it might appear casual in its investigation and eradication of bounty programs. These programs were only wiped out recently and this probably would not play well with a jury in a civil trial.) Your concerns about arbitration are foolish: an arbiter would more likely come to an unbiased decision that balances both the league's interest in reigning in bounty programs and a penalty actually warranted by the evidence. [/QUOTE]
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