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<blockquote data-quote="packa7x" data-source="post: 447489" data-attributes="member: 6594"><p>Agreed it's a little misleading to call her independent, but I don't think it makes her opinion invalid. No reason for White to lie about anything and I don't think she mischaracterized anything. Hargrove lied about the bounty system no matter how he phrased it. We know there was one. Williams, Payton, Loomis, etc all admitted to one. Because we know one exists and Hargrove said in his statement that he was told to deny the existence of a bounty program, one can reasonably infer that he knew about the bounty program and actively obstructed the NFL's investigation. The NFL never claimed he contributed money, just participated in it. If you're going to go into semantics about what "no knowledge of a bounty system" means, then you also have to accept the loose interpretation of "participation." </p><p></p><p>I just don't see the point in making this "acceptable" and "fair" for fans. Goodell needs some power with punishment. He has a duty to ensure the image of the league is up to his standards and he should have some say in disciplining players. He's offered opportunities for all the players to speak to him about their punishments. They chose not to. Big Ben accepted Goodell's offer in 2010 and was able to get his punishment reduced. A lot of guys go and talk to Goodell (like Ndamukong Suh for example) and have genuinely good conversations and come out understanding his POV. Sure, an arbitrator may look at the Ben case and say "he wasn't convicted of anything so no suspension" but that's not the point. Ben made the league look bad. I guess my point is that an arbitrator may not have the league's image in mind.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="packa7x, post: 447489, member: 6594"] Agreed it's a little misleading to call her independent, but I don't think it makes her opinion invalid. No reason for White to lie about anything and I don't think she mischaracterized anything. Hargrove lied about the bounty system no matter how he phrased it. We know there was one. Williams, Payton, Loomis, etc all admitted to one. Because we know one exists and Hargrove said in his statement that he was told to deny the existence of a bounty program, one can reasonably infer that he knew about the bounty program and actively obstructed the NFL's investigation. The NFL never claimed he contributed money, just participated in it. If you're going to go into semantics about what "no knowledge of a bounty system" means, then you also have to accept the loose interpretation of "participation." I just don't see the point in making this "acceptable" and "fair" for fans. Goodell needs some power with punishment. He has a duty to ensure the image of the league is up to his standards and he should have some say in disciplining players. He's offered opportunities for all the players to speak to him about their punishments. They chose not to. Big Ben accepted Goodell's offer in 2010 and was able to get his punishment reduced. A lot of guys go and talk to Goodell (like Ndamukong Suh for example) and have genuinely good conversations and come out understanding his POV. Sure, an arbitrator may look at the Ben case and say "he wasn't convicted of anything so no suspension" but that's not the point. Ben made the league look bad. I guess my point is that an arbitrator may not have the league's image in mind. [/QUOTE]
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