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<blockquote data-quote="jaybadger82" data-source="post: 446210" data-attributes="member: 6211"><p>I feel like I've touched on all of your points elsewhere:</p><p> </p><p>-You're right: the NFL isn't obligated to be transparent. But if it isn't going to be open with its process, then it's natural for the NFLPA to seek further information on behalf of players. The union has a legitimate interest in obtaining a clear understanding of exactly what these players did wrong so that players understand where the line is and not to cross it in the future. The evidence used to determine suspensions in all of the other episodes you mention above (Big Ben, Vick, etc.) was far more public- often in police reports- than it was here. Spygate did not involve NFL players or the union.</p><p> </p><p>-You make some great points about the salary cap circumvention but ignoring the larger context in which this bounty scandal has happened is like wearing blinders. Bounties were commonplace in the league until a few years ago and this has everything to do with the growing awareness about head injuries, the growing number of lawsuits by former players, and mounting public concern (e.g., "Would you let your children play football?"). The NFL has a significant interest in making the game safer and preventing bounty programs that incentivise targeting specific players is part of that interest.</p><p> </p><p>-The NFLPA is not winning over public opinion by challenging this. In fact, this places them in a ridiculous position. On the one hand it's important they protect the safety of its members while on the other it is defending players that have participated in a bounty program. The NFLPA's concern here is with the process.</p><p> </p><p>-You should actually check out the Seifert link above (since you don't like Florio). It makes it rather clear that when Williams and Vitt told Hargrove to stonewall the league, his prospects of getting picked up by another team if cut were weak. The guy was coming off a one-year suspension for violating the league's substance policy. When he returned, he had few offers before signing a cheap deal with the Rams. It's presumptuous to assume he would have simply latched on elsewhere, especially after turning on his handlers (blacklisting is a very serious and legitimate concern amongst pro athletes in all sports).</p><p> </p><p>-The Seifert link (like the Florio link) also makes it rather clear that Mary Jo White misrepresented the evidence against Hargrove. There's nothing in Hargrove's statement establishing his participation in or contribution to the bounty program. As an attorney myself, I think White crossed the line based on the information I've reviewed and the idea that she's somehow independent is naive. Guess who's paying her bill.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jaybadger82, post: 446210, member: 6211"] I feel like I've touched on all of your points elsewhere: -You're right: the NFL isn't obligated to be transparent. But if it isn't going to be open with its process, then it's natural for the NFLPA to seek further information on behalf of players. The union has a legitimate interest in obtaining a clear understanding of exactly what these players did wrong so that players understand where the line is and not to cross it in the future. The evidence used to determine suspensions in all of the other episodes you mention above (Big Ben, Vick, etc.) was far more public- often in police reports- than it was here. Spygate did not involve NFL players or the union. -You make some great points about the salary cap circumvention but ignoring the larger context in which this bounty scandal has happened is like wearing blinders. Bounties were commonplace in the league until a few years ago and this has everything to do with the growing awareness about head injuries, the growing number of lawsuits by former players, and mounting public concern (e.g., "Would you let your children play football?"). The NFL has a significant interest in making the game safer and preventing bounty programs that incentivise targeting specific players is part of that interest. -The NFLPA is not winning over public opinion by challenging this. In fact, this places them in a ridiculous position. On the one hand it's important they protect the safety of its members while on the other it is defending players that have participated in a bounty program. The NFLPA's concern here is with the process. -You should actually check out the Seifert link above (since you don't like Florio). It makes it rather clear that when Williams and Vitt told Hargrove to stonewall the league, his prospects of getting picked up by another team if cut were weak. The guy was coming off a one-year suspension for violating the league's substance policy. When he returned, he had few offers before signing a cheap deal with the Rams. It's presumptuous to assume he would have simply latched on elsewhere, especially after turning on his handlers (blacklisting is a very serious and legitimate concern amongst pro athletes in all sports). -The Seifert link (like the Florio link) also makes it rather clear that Mary Jo White misrepresented the evidence against Hargrove. There's nothing in Hargrove's statement establishing his participation in or contribution to the bounty program. As an attorney myself, I think White crossed the line based on the information I've reviewed and the idea that she's somehow independent is naive. Guess who's paying her bill. [/QUOTE]
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