Unofficial Super Bowl LX Thread

[rmontro]

That's how Philly won last year, with a dominant front four DL. They rarely blitzed, a little different than the hags.
As much as i dislike the hags, it was an impressive performance.

I keep saying, football is won in the trenches.

 

[DoURant]

Why is the SB being played that late into Feb?

Just wait until they add an 18th game, and a 2nd bye week.... Things they might have to consider, start the season on Labor Day weekend, only 2 Preseason games, or maybe even take the bye week away between the Conference Championship games and the Super Bowl... this is getting ridiculous, and if they don't figure something out, the Super Bowl is going to be pushing into March. It sounds like the players don't want an 18th game, but the money machine keeps rolling, and Godell is still wanting an International team.

 

[milani]

The CB play was impressive, from both teams.
One of the announcers made a good observation, about how the Seahawks could get great pressure with just their front four, which left seven other players to play coverage. It's the perfect storm for a defense, what more could you ask for?

Teams that historically had a great pass rushing front four usually resulted in good pass defense on the back end.

 

[OldSchool101]

Who is the DC in Seattle? I imagine he'll get a HC job now.

Aden Durde is their DC.

So it’s an interesting question because he does hold a unique quality. He is the 1st British born DC. Durde was basically the early wave of players on the International scope incentive movement. He was on both the Panthers and Chiefs practice squads near 20 years ago as a International player

When the NFL international Player Program went into effect in 2017, Durde was heavily involved. His most notable ties are with the Atlanta Falcons and also with Dan Quinn and the Cowboys more recently.

Not completely diminishing Durde here but Seattle really has a nice suite of Defensive minds. McDonald himself was one of the hottest DC’s there in Baltimore and they brought in Leslie Frazier from Buffalo as the Assistant Head Coach. So you basically have a pair of successful East Coast Defensive Gurus on either shoulder of Durde.

By the way. Babich, who’s our new Packer Pass game Coordinator (and former Buffalo DC) is a long time colleague of Seattle’s, Leslie Frazier.

 

[OldSchool101]

The CB play was impressive, from both teams.
One of the announcers made a good observation, about how the Seahawks could get great pressure with just their front four, which left seven other players to play coverage. It's the perfect storm for a defense, what more could you ask for?

Yeah and what’s also interesting is Seattle doesn’t have a singular Sack artist. Collinsworth or someone mentioned this di I looked it up.

The Seattle DL aren’t really even close to the best in Sacks. So there’s obviously multiple ways to skin a Cat without leading the league in Sacks. Matter of fact, Rashan Gary, who’s some want to run off the rails and out of Green Bay, has more sacks than any Seattle player.

Seattle has a nice spread though with 2 DT’s combining for 13 Sacks. Seattle has a pair of LB’s combining for another 14 Sacks.

 

[OldSchool101]

Kind of remember Rodgers was traded to the Jets. If not for the Achilles injury, the Packers would've gotten a first and a second round pick for a 39 year-old QB. The problem isn't the haul, its that some of the draft capital turned into disappointing draft picks.

Looked like hit or miss. The real draft capital was Luke Musgrave and Edgerrin Cooper. Luke has underperformed and is running out of time. Injuries didn’t help either.

Cooper has been an excellent addition through that Trade though.

 

[OldSchool101]

I keep saying, football is won in the trenches.

Man oh man, the holes that Seattle opened up for Walker. He would just kinda dance for a second and then find his crease. Walker didn’t set the world on fire, but he was steady and patient and did it consistently for 5.0 per carry and a tough, earned 163 All purpose yards.
If Josh tried to do that delay thing with our current Green Bay OL he’d be assaulted -2 yards behind LOS.

Just more affirmation to invest in the trenches.

 

[Thirteen Below]

If you are on the left Im sure they thought Bad Bunny was the greatest show in the history of shows. If on the right they probably thought it was a clown show.

On most things, I'm about as left as you can get without falling off the edge of the table, and I thought it was a clown show. I watched a few minutes of it today on Youtube, and just screeched and clawed my eyeballs out. The guy kept grabbing his crotch and ******* himself like a bullrider at a rodeo, and all the women had big ***** that they kept bending over and shaking at each other for some important reason that I was unable to figure out.

Modern popular culture has seemed increasingly alien to me for decades, and at this point it's just lost on me.

Is it Latino music? I just thought it was like rap, dance, entertainment music for the generations that are into it.

Growing up with the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Allman Brothers, and Beach Boys, I guess I'm spoiled. Most music today just sucks, and it's not just a matter of different tastes - objectively speaking, it's junk. Just commercialized crap with no originality or creativity whatsoever.

Most of us on this board are very fortunate to have grown up when we did.

I hate Seattle more than the Patriots, but I was actually rooting (if you can call it that) for the Seahawks because I'd rather they have two Lombardis than for the Patriots to have seven.

That was my main reason too. I'd like to see us catch up and take the lead in my lifetime, and I don't want those bastards to build any more of a cushion than they already have. It just sickens me that New England has won 1 out of every 10 of the damned things. That's just unbalanced.

 

[rmontro]

The Seattle DL aren’t really even close to the best in Sacks. So there’s obviously multiple ways to skin a Cat without leading the league in Sacks. Matter of fact, Rashan Gary, who’s some want to run off the rails and out of Green Bay, has more sacks than any Seattle player.

Wow, I didn't realize that. Pretty amazing, really.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I keep saying, football is won in the trenches.

Well said.

"The game is won in the trenches" - is a very old and accurate statement about how to win at football. Impact players like QBs, WRs, RBs, TEs seem to get most of the glory and most of our attention. But it's the five O linemen vesrsus the four defensive linemen who determine the outcome of the game. None of the impact players I mentioned get to be impactful without a good OL and DL.

And among impact players I include the Edge rushers and LBs, other than the front four, who are getting sacks and pressures, and a lot of attention. Micah Parsons is arguably the best impact player on the Packers. But even Parsons needs his other 10 teammates to do what he does so well.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Wow, I didn't realize that. Pretty amazing, really.

I never would have guessed that Gary had more sacks than any individual Hags' defender. That is a bit amazing.

The hags' defense consists of 11 guys (and backups) who are above average in talent, play with extreme passion, and execute on well-designed game plans. No one player stands out on that defense.

It also helped that Seattle (and NE), were relatively healthy. The game is won in the trenches, as rmontro just reminded us. A healthy roster is right up there as another truism about how to win, in the NFL, ar any team sport at any level.

 

[Heyjoe4]

On most things, I'm about as left as you can get without falling off the edge of the table, and I thought it was a clown show. I watched a few minutes of it today on Youtube, and just screeched and clawed my eyeballs out. The guy kept grabbing his crotch and ******* himself like a bullrider at a rodeo, and all the women had big ***** that they kept bending over and shaking at each other for some important reason that I was unable to figure out.

Modern popular culture has seemed increasingly alien to me for decades, and at this point it's just lost on me.




Growing up with the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Allman Brothers, and Beach Boys, I guess I'm spoiled. Most music today just sucks, and it's not just a matter of different tastes - objectively speaking, it's junk. Just commercialized crap with no originality or creativity whatsoever.

Most of us on this board are very fortunate to have grown up when we did.




That was my main reason too. I'd like to see us catch up and take the lead in my lifetime, and I don't want those bastards to build any more of a cushion than they already have. It just sickens me that New England has won 1 out of every 10 of the damned things. That's just unbalanced.

My politics lean left as well and Bad Bunny's show wasn't just "bad", it was unwatchable.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Aden Durde is their DC.

So it’s an interesting question because he does hold a unique quality. He is the 1st British born DC. Durde was basically the early wave of players on the International scope incentive movement. He was on both the Panthers and Chiefs practice squads near 20 years ago as a International player

When the NFL international Player Program went into effect in 2017, Durde was heavily involved. His most notable ties are with the Atlanta Falcons and also with Dan Quinn and the Cowboys more recently.

Not completely diminishing Durde here but Seattle really has a nice suite of Defensive minds. McDonald himself was one of the hottest DC’s there in Baltimore and they brought in Leslie Frazier from Buffalo as the Assistant Head Coach. So you basically have a pair of successful East Coast Defensive Gurus on either shoulder of Durde.

By the way. Babich, who’s our new Packer Pass game Coordinator (and former Buffalo DC) is a long time colleague of Seattle’s, Leslie Frazier.

I had no idea Durde was the Seattle DC, much less that he is British. Thanks for the info OS.

 

[gopkrs]

Wow, I didn't realize that. Pretty amazing, really.

They were very effective with blitzes. But I think they decided in the 2nd half that they didn't need to blitz. So they played more coverage and let the D line pressure

 

[rmontro]

The hags' defense consists of 11 guys (and backups) who are above average in talent, play with extreme passion, and execute on well-designed game plans. No one player stands out on that defense.

No one stands out, but everybody does their job well, and they don't have a weak spot.

 

[Heyjoe4]

No one stands out, but everybody does their job well, and they don't have a weak spot.

It's kind of amazing. An elite unit can be built with a lot of above average, no-name guys who play as one. That's a function of coaching and player execution - and a healthy squad. It looked pretty damned good to me.

 

[Heyjoe4]

They were very effective with blitzes. But I think they decided in the 2nd half that they didn't need to blitz. So they played more coverage and let the D line pressure

Now that I think about it, yeah the hags were blitzing more in the 1H. I remember the same corner blitzing at leeast twice and getting home at least once.

It was a good adjustment to go to a four-man rush, dropping 7 into coberage in the 2H and completely shut down an obviously overwhelmed Drake Maye.

 

[CarryTheG14]

Win with 4. Keep investing in the D-line.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Win with 4. Keep investing in the D-line.

Agreed Carry. An above average front four on D needs care and attention (investment), to make sure the right guys are there. And there have to be 2 decent backups to occasionally give the starters some rest, and fill in for the inevitable injuries.

The Packers, as of now, are not close to this. Wyatt is a very good, but the other guys are underwhelming. i believe Gluten will make a lot of progress here in the offseason, meaning I trust him.

I expect he will also transform the CB group. Nixon and Valentine can be graciously referred to as "average". Nixon's case isn't so straight forward. I think he was near the top in PBUs last season. But he;s good for one comletely avoidable personal foul each game.

Valentine looked promising to start, but hasn't improved much beyond that. If Bullard is moved to three-safety formations with McKinney and Williams, that would leave Hobbs for slot corner where he's had the most experience. In any event, Gluten has to do somehing with the CBs. Valentine will either be out of a job, or with a vastly reserved as a backup.

I'm ok with keeping Nixon as long as they can get him back to doing kick returns. The Packers haven't had a scary return guy in many years. Time to fix that.

 

[CarryTheG14]

Agreed Carry. An above average front four on D needs care and attention (investment), to make sure the right guys are there. And there have to be 2 decent backups to occasionally give the starters some rest, and fill in for the inevitable injuries.

The Packers, as of now, are not close to this. Wyatt is a very good, but the other guys are underwhelming. i believe Gluten will make a lot of progress here in the offseason, meaning I trust him.

I expect he will also transform the CB group. Nixon and Valentine can be graciously referred to as "average". Nixon's case isn't so straight forward. I think he was near the top in PBUs last season. But he;s good for one comletely avoidable personal foul each game.

Valentine looked promising to start, but hasn't improved much beyond that. If Bullard is moved to three-safety formations with McKinney and Williams, that would leave Hobbs for slot corner where he's had the most experience. In any event, Gluten has to do somehing with the CBs. Valentine will either be out of a job, or with a vastly reserved as a backup.

I'm ok with keeping Nixon as long as they can get him back to doing kick returns. The Packers haven't had a scary return guy in many years. Time to fix that.

Yeah, they need to invest in DT this year. Hopefully one of the GA boys improve. I actually really like our EDGE guys, minus Gary too.

The CB room is awful. We're lucky Bullard turned into one hell of a slot guy. I think they need two guys back there. I'm wondering if Hobbs was hurt last year (he said he was) and they give him another shot. But they need two legit shots at CB next year.

 

[OldSchool101]

It's kind of amazing. An elite unit can be built with a lot of above average, no-name guys who play as one. That's a function of coaching and player execution - and a healthy squad. It looked pretty damned good to me.

I kinda went through that Seattle Defensive Roster and while nobody sets the league on fire, there are some pretty notable names. Between the Seattle starting front 4 and 2 CB’s you’ve got 5 players all drafted between #6 overall and #37 overall. Really there’s only 1 LB and 1 CB who would be considered no-named imo. Josh Jobe went Undrafted.

Riq Woolen was a 5th Rounder who was a bullseye draft pick. He was Probowl CB in his Rookie season. Amazingly he was a converted WR like Bo Melton who just flourished at CB

We know about DT, Jarren Reed, he was actually in GB for a little bit a few years ago. We signed him away from Seattle and they signed him back.

Either way, it still takes an eloquent level of coaching to put on that performance. Yet it helps to have a pair of #5 and #6 overall draft picks and 3 more players drafted #16,#34,#37 overall sprinkled in there.

 

[gopkrs]

Yeah, they need to invest in DT this year. Hopefully one of the GA boys improve. I actually really like our EDGE guys, minus Gary too.

The CB room is awful. We're lucky Bullard turned into one hell of a slot guy. I think they need two guys back there. I'm wondering if Hobbs was hurt last year (he said he was) and they give him another shot. But they need two legit shots at CB next year.

Yes, we need all that. But we also need a center and a guard. And imho, our chances run mostly through our offense. If we are gonna try and get as good or better than the elite defenses; we might lose out on both sides of the ball.

 

[milani]

I kinda went through that Seattle Defensive Roster and while nobody sets the league on fire, there are some pretty notable names. Between the Seattle starting front 4 and 2 CB’s you’ve got 5 players all drafted between #6 overall and #37 overall. Really there’s only 1 LB and 1 CB who would be considered no-named imo. Josh Jobe went Undrafted.

Riq Woolen was a 5th Rounder who was a bullseye draft pick. He was Probowl CB in his Rookie season. Amazingly he was a converted WR like Bo Melton who just flourished at CB

We know about DT, Jarren Reed, he was actually in GB for a little bit a few years ago. We signed him away from Seattle and they signed him back.

Either way, it still takes an eloquent level of coaching to put on that performance. Yet it helps to have a pair of #5 and #6 overall draft picks and 3 more players drafted #16,#34,#37 overall sprinkled in there.

There was a reason Don Shula's 1972 undefeated group was called the No Name defense. No one remembered what one player did. But they sure remembered the results.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Yeah, they need to invest in DT this year. Hopefully one of the GA boys improve. I actually really like our EDGE guys, minus Gary too.

The CB room is awful. We're lucky Bullard turned into one hell of a slot guy. I think they need two guys back there. I'm wondering if Hobbs was hurt last year (he said he was) and they give him another shot. But they need two legit shots at CB next year.

Maybe there is a stud DT from Georgia at pick #52.

I do agree that the CB group needs the most help. Nixon and Valentine have backup talent, not starter talent. I love Bullard, but as you note he's a slot guy - who can also play S.

As for Hobbs, I think he may be able to play S as well. I'm not sure how much his season was affected by injuries, and by playing out of his normal position (slot) as outside corner. I think he's worth keeping and played at positions of strength for him. (Seems the Packers have a history of playing guys in the secondary out of their best positions.)

Gluten needs to find at least one, legit starter at CB, probably via FA. Two would be much better. Hey he reimagined the S group a few years ago. Here's hoping he can do it again.