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I like Blaylock Wilson Steele Muse and Proche. About Steele...I've seen him 7th/UDFA territory why would we use a 5th round pick on him. I think the others that I like fit in right where you have them though.

Problems I see: Drafting ANOTHER CB? We're full up!

Question: Where did Thaddeus Moss go in the draft you did and did you consider drafting him? He shows up well in the CFBP, that shows me he has big game skills.

Thaddeus is a cat I cannot peg in on...some automated and pundits say 2nd round ...other times he is sitting there when we pick late 3rd. I don't believe in any TE higher than Kmet and I have him graded 2nd round. If Moss is there at our 3rd round pick as we sit, and depending who else is...he isn't a terrible consideration there...but I do believe some of his hype is name only and not play...but there is skills there FOR SURE.

As for Steele...fairly typically of mid round tackles....it becomes a tough gauge on where their stock truly lies. I've read some like Scott Frantz as an example way more than Steele...I'm the utter opposite...while thinking both are SOLID value depending on location of the pick.
 

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With most likely signings in Free Agency now relegated to veteran bring ins or "injury" flagged options...I'm ready for an official 2.0 in depth mock draft, and yes we have a trade again. This time however it is a trade UP not BACK.

#63 - Cole Kmet TE (ND) - Yup, this trade is to add another tool to Aaron Rodgers tool chest after ignoring it for years. Adding Kmet to a TE room that has Lewis, Jace and Tonyan to me is amazing. Kmet is big, tall and gets off the line quick. He is a willing and very capable blocker...if tasked with one on one assignments he rarely loses IF his hand placement is right. That is where shadowing Lewis could turn Kmet into a two way TE beast, as his offensive side of things is there.

#136 - Traded away to KC

#208 - Traded away to KC
Not critiquing your selections, just questioning getting #63 for #136 & #208... will take A LOT more to get #63 (from Seattle, KC has #64). You'd probably need to throw-in 2021's #2, also.
 
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Not critiquing your selections, just questioning getting #63 for #136 & #208... will take A LOT more to get #63 (from Seattle, KC has #64). You'd probably need to throw-in 2021's #2, also.

Apparently I forgot to include that somewhere. Yes, the trade for their second breaks down like this:

Their 2nd Rounder for our 2021 2nd Rounder, 2020 4th Rounder and 2020 6th Rounder.
 
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Tyni's Mock 3.0 since we are all bored...

In this mock we trade back with Jacksonville. They get our #30 (valued at 620), in exchange we get their #42 & #73 (valued at 705). I'll even add to my mock, they do so to grab Jacob Eason or another QB to ensure they have that 5th year option should they so choose in the future.

So here we go:

#42 - Jalen Reagor WR is whom I ultimately went with here. I think an OT and iDL would garner SERIOUS looks, but ultimately I want a weapon for Rodgers and I've grown a fan of Reagor and his unique skillset added to our WR corps.

#62 - Marlon Davidson iDL I chose him over Madubuike who I showed still realistically an option. I don't personally believe Davidson sees #62...but it is not a reach either given some of the others that will for sure go before him. *say he is gone pencil in Madubuike here...or Malik Harrison should he be there.

#73 - Matthew Peart OT I continue to say and be a fan of his. Everthing is there for a Tackle of the future in the NFL...just needs refinement and strength to build.

#94 - Bryce Hopkins TE Let's keep adding weapons to the offense for AR to have a resurgence and silence the doubters. If Hopkins is the result of missing out on the Hooper and arguably Ebron train...we may end up happy. His route running and hands are ready...blocking not so much...let's see what he can do.

#136 - Logan Wilson ILB Range for days, upside is high and I think should pair well with the ILB room and continue to overhaul that position.

#175 - Antonio Gandy-Golden WR For a long time we've attempted to hit on late round WRs...I have zero problem with the way the draft is unfolding to do it again. Big receiver with jump ball skills for sure....poor man's Jefferson as his routes aren't the best. Truly a unique guy from anything else in the WR room. Let's go!

#192 - DJ Wonnum EDGE - His skillset and abilities to me illustrate the perfect depth and rotational player that can do what he is asked so long as it isn't be the "guy" at his position. Fackrell replacement found.

#208 - Tanner Muse S (LB) - Appears to be headed to that hybrid LB/S role, and I think Pettine would love this cerbral and experience player willing to roam....but not a speed and coverage specialist.

#209 - Reggie Robinson II CB - I've touched on him before...a standout CB from Tulsa with the measurables and flashes to excel as a outside corner in the league. Not a dire need, but I would love to roll a late round dice on this project of a CB some are falling in love with...so he may not be here as he was went from many saying undrafted to being seen on boards more and more.

#236 - Levonta Taylor CB - Yes, yes, yes...I know we double dip on the CB position?! Yes, but it is late and again a project guy no one is quite sure what he is. I love the boom or bust options at this point in the draft...or pick up a RB/WR (see next pick LOL)

#242 - Michael Warren II RB - This cat from Cincinnati has the skills in the passing game, above average in the running game...a versatile back I think immediately puts heat on Dexter for the #3 spot in that he is more versatile.


My own personal critique is not ENOUGH big guys. Hate that I don't walk away with another OL or DL....I nearly drafted Zach Shackelford iOL out of Texas in place of Levonta....and honestly probably should have. Alas...every mock is fair game for critiques even the mocker themselves :) LOL
 

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This would be excellent. I have a bunch of these guys in my various rough draft mock drafts.
 
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I like Davidson Muse and Wilson. I don't however see us getting Davidson unless we trade up to mid 2.

Mid 2nd is a mere 10 or picks from 62...he is a guy firmly planted between 40-80 on nearly every board I see. I don't think he makes it to 3rd, but we shall see.
 

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If Reggie Robinson has all those traits, do we really think he lasts that long?

Because I don't. Hope he does though!
 

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I like Reagor a lot. Like Peart a lot. Would have taken Madabuike over Davidson.

I think it was @Dantes who informed me that almost all of Davidson's production came against very bad teams. Slightly concerning.
 
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I like Reagor a lot. Like Peart a lot. Would have taken Madabuike over Davidson.

I think it was @Dantes who informed me that almost all of Davidson's production came against very bad teams. Slightly concerning.

Couldn't fault someone going that route.
 
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If Reggie Robinson has all those traits, do we really think he lasts that long?

Because I don't. Hope he does though!

I'm overselling but he is quite raw for sure. He is a guy I'm really curious to see where he goes. Highest I've seen him rated or gone is in 4th. 5th/6th a lot more.
 
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Latest Mock 4.0

First Round #30 - Isaiah Wilson OT Georgia
...I'm in agreement with Mel Kiper, Wilson is the Tackle that goes back end of 1st or probably first off board in the 2nd. Gute has positioned himself well here and if we stay I feel a big body (iDL or OL) is coming off the board.

Second Round #62 - Davon Hamilton iDL Ohio State...dude is a big nose that can push and rush. I despised him wearing the Ohio State jersery....but only because I wish he played for Notre Dame and I dislike Ohio State. Incredible players squelched his snap count for years and that is a good thing as he is not a banged up big man at all. Kenny Clark is smiling seeing his new bash brother in the trenches.

Third Round #94 - Van Jefferson WR Florida...route technician that uses his skillset and step to get open, which translates to the NFL better than someone relying solely on their size or speed. He can and will instantly contribute as a team's #3 worst case I think...with the incredible potential of starting by the end of his rookie campaign.

Fourth Round #136 - Josiah Deguara TE Cincinnati...first time I've predicted us taking a middle round TE...and he is a unique one. His edge and willingness to never shut his motor off in ANY situation from head hunting post-interceptions to blocking down field on long runs, and holds ZERO fear of anyone fighting for a ball or yards. His skillset and abilities seem to fit a TE#2 projections well with special teams contributor being a huge factor in his value. While his ceiling is not high, his floor is incredibly high honestly. (was a great pass catching threat in high school, and is a three sport athlete)

Fifth Round #175 - Justin Strnad LB Wake Forest...full disclosure, this is oddly late into the draft to select a LB I think...BUT I feel Gute is really high on Kirksey being healthy and solid. Strnad is a LB that many feel could instantly become a dependable #2 for a team and even eventually start. His tackling skills aren't on par with what I felt Blake's were when he was a rookie, but I see a slightly more athletic Blake...which has very quick feet but often times gets tricked by what he sees instead of what he anticipates. Solid upside LB for a back up role and competition to push Burks and Summers for depth instantly. *Did rupture bicep in October...should be good to go though.

Fifth Round #192 - Antonio Gandy-Golden WR Liberty - I am iffy on when he goes. I sense someone may pull the trigger on him vastly earlier than he arguably deserves...but he is kinda the poor man's/small school Jefferson (LSU) option. Others to consider here might be Quintez Cephus or Proche...or at this spot there are a few bargain EDGE guys or OL to grab as well.

Sixth Round #208 - Donell Stanley iOL South Carolina - While Patrick is the leading candidate to replace Linsley when he departs, I want some competition and Stanley has the size and reach and experience to compete not just at Center but I could see him be a guard depth role as well.

Sixth Round #209 - Reggie Robinson II CB Tulsa...a standout CB from Tulsa with the measurables and flashes to excel as a outside corner in the league. Not a dire need, but I would love to roll a late round dice on this project of a CB some are falling in love with...so he may not be here as he was went from many saying undrafted to being seen on boards more and more.

Sixth Round #209 - Trevis Gipson EDGE Tulsa...oddly enough double dipping on Tulsa I guess. Gipson has the physical measurables to have promise...whether it can be molded into something though is the question. We either found our Fackrell replacement of the future...OR he may not even see the practice squad.

Seventh Round #242 - Garrett Marino iDL UAB...a long leaner interior Defensive Lineman that projects as a situational interior pressure cooker...his athleticism is going to intrigue, but I am unsure if he will find a spot. Too intriguing not to take the pick.
 
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I fully expect Isiah Wilson to be pretty high on the Packers draft board. Based on what Gute did last year, with getting Jenkins and Turner, Wilson fits that profile. It is our biggest need with the loss of Belaga and the decrease in level of play by Bahk.

I was redoing my next mock and I centered it around taking Wilson with our first pick. I have to get these things out there quicker.


I think Robinson goes in the mid 3rd to mid 4th. GMs like to take stabs at these guys with very high upsides. I think it's a bit early for us at 3rd, but would be a great pick in the 4th
 
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I fully expect Isiah Wilson to be pretty high on the Packers draft board. Based on what Gute did last year, with getting Jenkins and Turner, Wilson fits that profile. It is our biggest need with the loss of Belaga and the decrease in level of play by Bahk.

I was redoing my next mock and I centered it around taking Wilson with our first pick. I have to get these things out there quicker.


I think Robinson goes in the mid 3rd to mid 4th. GMs like to take stabs at these guys with very high upsides. I think it's a bit early for us at 3rd, but would be a great pick in the 4th

Robinson along with fellow CB A.J. Green both to me will not shock me if goes late 3rd or in the 6th. I think it depends how much board movement teams have had since truly delving into their tapes. In place of Robinson I thought about Green (less likely to climb as high) or a Levonta Taylor or that dude from Michigan that is escaping my mind. For some reason I cannot let us leave this draft without a CB taken...and honestly from the 4th onward I constantly kept thinking who would be there vs where I went.

That 4th round pick has always been the one where I'm staring at just vastly too many guys I like...there are potential starters along the OL like Driscoll, Steele and others that might be there...the Oregon center as well that I like. There are big iDL that could find there like the big Leki dude, or some others. You also have some WRs that should be there...and honestly I wouldn't have been opposed to picking Gandy-Golden there and going LB in the 5th. Speaking of LB in the 4th you will have guys like Wilson (Wyoming) and Phillips (LSU) as viable and serious options.

I LOVE what is there in the 4th and IF I'm Gute I'd consider trying to get up into that middle 4th or early 4th a second time if able. Grab a hold of a team with limited picks and pair a few 6ths and one of our 5ths even. Because I think there is serious likelihood a #2 or even starter caliber guys are there depending how draft falls.
 

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Robinson along with fellow CB A.J. Green both to me will not shock me if goes late 3rd or in the 6th. I think it depends how much board movement teams have had since truly delving into their tapes. In place of Robinson I thought about Green (less likely to climb as high) or a Levonta Taylor or that dude from Michigan that is escaping my mind. For some reason I cannot let us leave this draft without a CB taken...and honestly from the 4th onward I constantly kept thinking who would be there vs where I went.

That 4th round pick has always been the one where I'm staring at just vastly too many guys I like...there are potential starters along the OL like Driscoll, Steele and others that might be there...the Oregon center as well that I like. There are big iDL that could find there like the big Leki dude, or some others. You also have some WRs that should be there...and honestly I wouldn't have been opposed to picking Gandy-Golden there and going LB in the 5th. Speaking of LB in the 4th you will have guys like Wilson (Wyoming) and Phillips (LSU) as viable and serious options.

I LOVE what is there in the 4th and IF I'm Gute I'd consider trying to get up into that middle 4th or early 4th a second time if able. Grab a hold of a team with limited picks and pair a few 6ths and one of our 5ths even. Because I think there is serious likelihood a #2 or even starter caliber guys are there depending how draft falls.
it is a very deep draft and there will be some players in the late rounds who have great careers.

Gute seems to value athletic testing numbers much more than TT. There are a bunch of RAS +9 guys this year who are likely 3rd day guys.
 
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Third Round #94 - Van Jefferson WR Florida...route technician that uses his skillset and step to get open, which translates to the NFL better than someone relying solely on their size or speed. He can and will instantly contribute as a team's #3 worst case I think...with the incredible potential of starting by the end of his rookie campaign.
This is the "other Jefferson", Vanchii ("Van"). He was spotlighted on packerswire.com today. "Route running" means a couple of things. In this case it means in particular "detail" and "technique", the way he sets up corners into and out of his breaks. There's a lot of game tape on this guy, but this one is especially interesting:

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The analyst mentioned one route being a copy of an Adams move. There's another Adams move in this tape. If you watch some game tape you'll see more Adams-type looks.

A few notes:
  • Every scouting report leads with the route running.
  • Perported negatives relative to the top prospects are speed/strength/size (6'1", 200 lbs., 32 3/4" arms, 9 1/8" hands). I don't think speed is so much of an issue. The game tapes show he's a bit of a short strider but once he gets rolling these SEC corners are not closing much ground.
  • He drew 11 PI calls over two years, again against those SEC corners. I don't think a player can do that if he can't threaten with a deep route. The tape above shows some of how he does it.
  • Looks to have slot/perimeter flexibility. I'd say primarily slot but a guy who could flip/flop with Adams inside and outside, something both McCarthy and LaFleur liked to do.
  • His father was Shawn Jefferson, a 13 year, 7,000 yard NFL receiver and a current coach with the Jets.
  • Injury Issue: Surgery for a Jones fracture on the outside of one foot discovered at the Combine. The surgery was performed by Dr. Anderson in Green Bay, a premier orthopedist as many here are aware, with a typical recovery time of 6-8 weeks.
  • Like Shenault (pec surgery), he did not participate in the Combine drills except that Shenault ran the 40, there are no Pro Days, no on-site visits, no independent workouts, and no independent medical exams. What might happen is these players authorize medical record release to interested parties. Regardless, one expects both of these guys to be discounted especially given the unique shortage of supplemental info this year.
As a guy who could hit the ground running, a player Rodgers would appreciate for his detailed technique, I think where you have him, bottom of the 3rd., would be a good value pick. That's providing the Packers can get a clean post-surgery report. Foot and low ankle injuries give me pause.
 
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Alright here we go

Tyni's Mock 5.0

In this mock Green Bay finds a suitor for trading our #30 Pick (valued at 620pts) plus our #208 (7pts) with the New York Giants who trade up with their #36 (540pts) & #99 (104pts). GB 627pts vs NYG 644pts

#36 - Brandon Aiyuk WR (ARIZONA STATE)- I cannot hone in on just one WR I like from late 1st to mid-2nd a plethora are most likely to be available. The more I go back to it the more I love his return skill offering, his craft to do a multitude of things and I believe while his ceiling may not be as sky high as some others, his floor is very high and that makes me much more comfortable.

#62 - Matthew Peart OT (UConn) - Some will argue it might be early for him...but I predict Wilson will be gone and I like where Peart projects better than most OTs I foresee there at the end of the 2nd. Would I prefer to grab him in the late 3rd, 100%...do I think that is a guaranteed option, no.

#94 - Rashard Lawrence DL (LSU) - I'm skeptical of him like many, but in a depth reserve role I think he can 100% contribute and be a pivotal piece in making Clark's high performance career last longer for us here in GB. We NEED some help for Clark, this pick "should" ensure that happens along with Keke and likes of Lancaster pushing for a contract again.

#99 - Antonio Gibson RB (Memphis) - No true position...is he a slot receiver, running back...there truly isn't a position you can peg him at. With a team with WR woes after a clear #1, also needing RB depth with unknown contractual futures of our #1/#2's Gibson offers a real true chance to fill both depth at both positions and be used by MLF in his system well. Is he redundant with Tyler Ervin some may argue...but I see the immense value personally.

#136 - Logan Wilson LB (Wyoming) - Some are going to say he isn't ready...others see the potential. I love his range and I'm sorry I'll take a cowboy in a fight ANY day of the week. Wilson along with Kirksey isn't just a lateral mover over what we had at ILB, it is IMO a HUGE upgrade.

#175 - Colby Parkinson TE (Stanford) - His 6'7' size and frame intrigues me. Stanford lined him up all over the place and while his route tree is limited, what he does do - is done well. His hands and willingness to block to me are illustrations of a TE#2/TE#3 in the league for a LONG time.

#192 - Isaiah Coulter WR (Rhode Island) - While his separation ability is his major weak point apparently, I love a TON of his game. His is like the poor man's Gandy-Golden...which I know is possibly not saying much for him. What I mean is he is the definition of a small conference guy that dominated and tape can make appear better due to it OR he truly is just THAT good...only way to know is line him up against NFL guys and see. He did do very well the one time he faced high level competition (Virginia Tech). While one could argue drafting a guy that could be seen as a win if he makes the practice squad a waste at this pick...I see him as a guy with a tremendous amount of upside and worth it for sure at this pick.

#208 - Reggie Robinson II CB (Tulsa) - I keep seeing him available around this pick, and it shocks me. IF he is here I'm not hesitating. Could he turn into something special, 100%. His size and physical traits project well...he just has a decent amount to learn as well. (Since I'm shocked he might be here this late, a more realistic pick I like as a late dark horse CB is A.J. Green out of Oklahoma State.

#236 - Jon Runyan OT (Michigan) - All Big 10 honors in 2018 and a starter for the Wolverines, at this late in the game his worth the roll of the dice. Undersized somewhat for the NFL level...tough to tell if he has a spot.

#242 - Mike Panasiuk iDL (Michigan State) - His physical traits would make you think he would push and plow through gaps and win more...but watching his tape you'll see while he doesn't "win" many battles he arguably also never "loses" any either. He seems to prefer to do his role of controlling his gap assignment and mirrror/shadow the ball with his defender and reacting. Could build into something, but worse case I see a guy who will do what is asked, unless that is to do a TON. Kinda the type of guy you love for depth, he will do what is asked but never more...which while frustrating, you also at least know precisely what to expect.

 
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Really like the Runyan pick. He's good.

He is better than he is grading out at for many, but it is his undersized body. I truly think if he had a touch longer arms and bigger frame he is a mid rounder. He is definitely one I could see creep into 5th...but most likely is firmly a 6th round or later
 
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So got to thinking, I love the idea of moving around in the draft so much I almost always include a trade in my mocks...let's say we sit pat and do something that many are 50/50 on.....draft a QB...and not a late round flyer either.....well mid rounder so not crazy crazy.

Tyni's 5.0 (no trades)

#30 - Jalen Reagor WR (BYU)- I just keep thinking this guy in MLF's system adds something no other receiver is/does presently. He is also an example of play speed doesn't always equal testing speed...he plays faster than his time at the combine. Kinda the oppposite of Claypool, who IMO is an awesome WR but plays slower than he tested.

#62 - Isaiah Wilson OT (Georgia) - Isaiah Wilson is my top OT not expected to be a clear 1st rounder. This pick was between he and Matthew Peart, my other favorite. Wilson shined at Georgia and his mobility with his frame is something our system could let shine!

#94 - Rashard Lawrence DL (LSU) - I'm skeptical of him like many, but in a depth reserve role I think he can 100% contribute and be a pivotal piece in making Clark's high performance career last longer for us here in GB. We NEED some help for Clark, this pick "should" ensure that happens along with Keke and likes of Lancaster pushing for a contract again.

#136 - James Morgan QB (Florida International) - Could the story we all hope to occur actually come true? I mean this kid bleeds Wisconsin and GB from a young age, and this is a realistic and deserving round for him to slide into a team somewhere....clearly there are other more pressing positions of need, but Aaron ain't getting any younger and I'm a fan of using some 4th-6th rounders in the coming years to perhaps find someone that can patiently build behind him. Morgan has the arm strength no doubt, he has that grit almost like an old school QB as well. Could he be a starter in the NFL someday...who knows...but I do feel his floor is someone that will develop into a solid backup worst case.

#175 - Justin Strnad LB (Wake Forest) - Having chose Morgan over a guy I'm high on like Logan Wilson...we are looking at the likes of Phillips or Strnad. While lesser known to many and his bicep injury in 2019 took him off some radars with less tape Strnad projects IMO much higher than a guy like Phillips does. He can cover very well and projects well into the WILL spot playing in space many say, and I am betting at minimum situationally Pettine would love to have him as a cog in the wheel of our defense...and potentially push in a few years for starting ILB will progression.

#192 - Antonio Gandy-Golden (Liberty) - I try to ignore taking a guy in a mock simulation that I clearly feel would NOT be there (like once Ruggs fell to #30...NOPE)....Gandy-Golden for me shouldn't be here this late, but to some pundits it is about what they expect. This pick could easily have been a more realistic Isaiah Coulter. Both are similar in where they played leaves some questions as to just how good they are. However, both excel at jump balls and hands...route trees look developed more than some would expect...but again bad play opposite someone can make those steps look a little better. Either way, we get the poor man's Justin Jefferson at #192 and smile all the way to rookie minicamp (probably digital this year LOL).

#208 - Reggie Robinson II CB (Tulsa) - I keep seeing him available around this pick, and it shocks me. IF he is here I'm not hesitating. Could he turn into something special, 100%. His size and physical traits project well...he just has a decent amount to learn as well.

#208 - A.J. Green CB (Oklahoma St.) - Like Reggie I see incredible upside out of him. His hips open up nicely and his tackling skills in open space against WRs is a trait many teams will covet at this round thinking towards ST gunner/vice spots. Yes we double dip on my favorite later CBs, expecting or should I say hoping one of the two develop into something.

#236 - Darryl Williams iOL (Mississippi St) - I've discussed him before in that iOL thread of mine. When watching Jenkins tape, he caught my eye last year at times. His soft anchor and willingness to concede ground is a concern, however he is a LONG term guard starter with center experience. With Linsley most likely a cap savings in the future and Patrick having most likely the best path to be our 2021 starter at C, Williams could provide competition for that year and depth in the meantime either on the roster or practice squad.

#242 - DeeJay Dallas (Miami) - He was a QB in high school, started as a WR in college before switching to RB. I LOVE the versatile background and with his hands could instantly compete to be a #3 on the depth chart, special team contributor and to be fair...could make a guy like Ervin not necessary after 2020. Plugging him on the practice squad could be tough depending what he shows in the the preseason but I love him here.
 
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This would be an ideal situation for my taste. Therefore, it will never happen.

To be honest, beyond Morgan behind the likes of Fromm/Hurts and such, I don't really have a development QB I would like to spend a pick on. Morgan has the chops IMO to possibly become something...which while as tough as it was to not pick a Wilson or a second tier TE there, the potential upside future impact of him was too much not to consider and ultimately grab.
 

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