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Two positives already

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by net, Sep 29, 2006.

  1. net

    net Cheesehead

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    I can see two things McCarthy has done better than Sherman and Ray Rhodes.

    1)Penalties. Penalties are mental mistakes by individuals which turn into team mistakes. We have far fewer penalties this year. That is a direct reflection on attention to detail by the coaches. Larry Beightol didn't seem to give a damn about it. Jeff Jajsdjdlsdjflslkski does.

    2)Injuries. Since Holmgren left, key team members were chronically injured. I think the switch to free weights and a greater emphasis on conditioning is key. I also think the concept of losing weight is good. Putting less pressure on knees and ankles helps.

    Whether that translates to victories is yet to be seen, but in theory, it will.
     
  2. agopackgo4

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    I agree if there was one thing i could not stand about MS is his penalties week after week after week. And stupid penalties.

     
  3. porky88

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    Now that we've posted about penalites expect to see a lot of them on Monday for the Pack. :)
     
  4. DePack

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    I agree ago....watching Mike Sherman jump offsides was driving me nuts :roll:
     
  5. pyledriver80

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    Lol
     
  6. porky88

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    Coaching has a big part to do with penalties. How discipline a team is, has and usually does determine the amount of penalties and mistakes a team makes. There was no secret that Sherman was not a discipline type of guy and the team was given a "soft" credit because of that. In terms of discipline I'll give McCarthy credit where it's due. He's done a nice job in that aspect of the game. Now he can't let off and if he does then point the finger his way if you want but give credit when it's due and in this case McCarthy has done a nice job. Things change fast and knowing the Packers they'll commit a nice amount of penalites on Monday because we're all talking about it.
     
  7. tromadz

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    lol, shocker, depack defends sherman when he wasn't even really being criticized too harshly at all.
     
  8. TOPackerFan

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    I guess no one else has seen Chad Clifton continue to jump offsides?
     
  9. pyledriver80

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    Yeah, saying coaching has alot to do with penalties is quite a stretch. Guys know they aren't supposed to jump offsides or commit pass interference.
     
  10. tromadz

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    but whose job is it to get them prepared mentally for that?
     
  11. TOPackerFan

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    Does one really need coaching to remember the snap count?
     
  12. tromadz

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    I didnt think someone needed (much) coaching to not HOLD on to someone when playing CB but I was wrong then too, so anything is possible.
     
  13. TOPackerFan

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    They don't. Some players hold and some jump offsides. Coaching matters little. You either live with it because they do other things well or sit them down because you can't live with it.
     
  14. tromadz

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    You cant coach it? MS tried with the boxing gloves training for A.C. (Which i thought was clever, but in the end, ineffective).
     
  15. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    A swift kick in the *** doesn't hurt anyone.
     
  16. pyledriver80

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    Agreed, pretty damn simple
     
  17. tromadz

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    I disagree

    but you win cuz you coach kids, and thats more than I do.

    You can coach a lot of things, if you think outside the box a little
     
  18. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    I think Yogi said it best. "Football is 90 percent mental. The other half is physical." Oh wait, that was about Baseball. Football is completely different!! Nothing mental involved at all. Stupid Jocks!

    Coachs like to push off responsiblity, no surprise that a coach here would do the same.
     
  19. pyledriver80

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    Funny that you would say that considering you DEVOTE your whole day pushing the blame off Ted Thompson.

    I can see this goes back to coaching as usual. Go back to playing your video game guys. Go back to playing NFL Head Coach on your PS2. You don't know what it's like because you've never had enough knowledge or balls to step up to the plate and do it. Don't hate me because I do.
     
  20. porky88

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    A well discipline team will make fewer mistakes. Now if your just prone to jump off sides then what can you do. It's just one of those things and you mentally can‘t get it. Like Ahman Green's fumbling problem because he doesn't use the rule "The sideline is your friend" He always carries the ball in his left arm I believe.

    I look at Mike Holmgrem for an example. His team screws up on something, they pay for it. They can’t catch a pitch as shown on NFL Network once, they do it 10 times in a row and if they screw up they keep doing it until they get it right and then move on to the next session. That’s bringing a different attitude towards a team. Now I’m not comparing McCarthy to Holmgrem or anyone to anyone but clearly you see an example of a coach who wants a discipline team and use their time to make a team well disciplined.

    People will bash McCarthy at any chance they get but when it comes to a positive they won't give him credit when it's due. I'm not sure why but in this case he should be given credit for having players mentally ready for the football games and preparing a team that isn’t committing as many mistakes as they have in the past so far.

    One of the things McCarthy was known for was discipline. Michael Smith said on Around the Horn right after the hire that McCarthy will have this team committing fewer mistakes and this is a good hire. Whether Smith is 2 for 2 is yet to be seen but it does look like he is on his way to being right about one thing.

    It takes more than being discipline to be a good coach though. McCarthy still has a lot to learn and I think making in game adjustments is right up on that list.
     
  21. TOPackerFan

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    Do you honestly think coaches (all coaches, including old and new Mike) aren't constantly harping on avoiding penalties? Certain players keep committing these penalties (and yes they are occurring under new Mike). why is that, if you can supposedly coach away these mistakes?
     
  22. Zero2Cool

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    Yep.
    I never faulted Ted for Rivera, Wahle, stated his faults on FA's or even mentioned how I was beginging to lose faith in his first HC.

    GM's give the HC tools to do the job. It's the job of the HC to use the tools properly. If you need to remove a 5/8 bolt and don't have a 5/8 wrench you adjust, you use a cresent wrench.

    There's plenty of blame to go around. This is Ted's second season as GM and Mikes first as HC. Albeit I have lost some faith in both men, I still try to find positives and hope for the best. Why? Because I'm not a ignorant bitch like some on this board. You decide if you fall into that category people, NOT me.
     
  23. tromadz

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    Word. Thats coaching. (TO, do you agree\disagree with this? I love your opinions(and that sweet ***) on subjects like these.
     
  24. TOPackerFan

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    I do agree with this, it was one of the few things I liked about Holmgren. I'm not sure how you coach away penalties though, especially by using the technique cited (and my a$$ is no longer sweet - it's widening due to sitting in a chair and staring at this bloody computer screen all day).
     
  25. Timmons

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    By definition, a swift kick in the a$$ should hurt.


    Was it Tauscher or Clifton who's false starting a lot this year? I think that's occuring because of the new system and he's not good at the cut blocking yet and looking for a head start. Either way, I expect it will improve.

    I'm impressed with McCarthy's disciplined principles.

    As for the comment above about all coaches harping on simple things like penalties, they don't. Coaches are as random as people in traffic.
     

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