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Bud Grant! I miss that guy. "No hand warmers! These guys should be thinking of football, not staying warm. This is Minnesota ******* it!"

As for the QBs, I did not know Culpepper was an 11th overall pick. He did have some great years, but even when they had Moss, the Vikings just never got past the choke stage. (I think they've been to 4 SBs, all losses of course). (Side note - Moss went to the Pats who went undefeated right up to the SB against the Giants. They lost that game, a victim of the Vikings' curse - and I think the helmet catch.)

Another guy who put up big numbers for them was Randall Cunningham. I thought they were 15-1 or some outrageous number of wins one season. Not sure if that was the year the kicker choked on a chip shot in the NFCCG (I think that was late 90s, maybe 2000......). I think Cunningham predated that game.

I can handle the Bears occasional SB win (1 and counting), even the Lions (0 and counting). But the Queens? Banish the thought. GB has 4 SBs and who knows how many championships before the SB era. We're lucky fans.
My memories of Bud Grant are of running into him at Link Brothers, in Minong, more than once. Twice when new fishing boats hit the floor, and once, the day before the opening of bass season, when he was in there just like me, getting gear for the next day. He loved talking fishing, and if you brought it up, he'd talk about it for hours. But, the minute someone brought up football, he'd clam up and want to change back to fishing. He had compartmentalized his coaching days, and put them in a drawer in the past. All that counted was hitting the lakes where it was pure peace and quiet, and nobody wanting to talk football.
 

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My memories of Bud Grant are of running into him at Link Brothers, in Minong, more than once. Twice when new fishing boats hit the floor, and once, the day before the opening of bass season, when he was in there just like me, getting gear for the next day. He loved talking fishing, and if you brought it up, he'd talk about it for hours. But, the minute someone brought up football, he'd clam up and want to change back to fishing. He had compartmentalized his coaching days, and put them in a drawer in the past. All that counted was hitting the lakes where it was pure peace and quiet, and nobody wanting to talk football.
Meeting Bud Grant. Now that is very cool. Interesting how he isolated his football life. Bud was about as unglamorous a guy as you could meet. He was also a very good HC.

One thing I remember from those days, and I don't remember the year or years - but during the Packer glory days with Lombardi, the Vikings would come into a game with a horrible record, horrible team, and still manage to win a game against GB, usually in MN.

Or maybe it never happened at all and I'm imagining it. I know I'm not imagining Packers D linemen chasing Tarkenton allover the field. By today's standards FT wasn't a great athlete, but damn the guy was hard to sack.
 

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Meeting Bud Grant. Now that is very cool. Interesting how he isolated his football life. Bud was about as unglamorous a guy as you could meet. He was also a very good HC.

One thing I remember from those days, and I don't remember the year or years - but during the Packer glory days with Lombardi, the Vikings would come into a game with a horrible record, horrible team, and still manage to win a game against GB, usually in MN.

Or maybe it never happened at all and I'm imagining it. I know I'm not imagining Packers D linemen chasing Tarkenton allover the field. By today's standards FT wasn't a great athlete, but damn the guy was hard to sack.
They they gave Tarkenton credit for scramble yards around the field, he would have had 15,000 yards a season. We'd be at Packer/Vikings games screaming; "For God's sake! Catch that SOB!" I think it was the biggest contributor to my getting gray hair later in life.

He won a lot of games with the Vikings. He had like a 62% win record, which is high up in the rankings. Something like 165-170 wins, and I believe 4 trips to championship games but no brass ring. He was a good one, no doubt about it.
 
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I was thinking about the draft pool this year and how the extra Covid year, NIL and the TP has effected it. I found a decent article, written by a Bills media guy, but pretty much universal for all teams.

WE are seeing older players in this draft, that have chosen to stay in school longer, especially given the extra Covid year. That won't disappear from college sports until after the 2026
seasons.

Now the TP and NIL money is just starting to impact sports. Student athletes that see big paydays in college, aren't in such a hurry to declare for the Pro's. Equally, I think a player that sees a better opportunity through the portal, may opt to stick around in a new program, rather than roll the dice on a professional career.

Once all three of these impacts have cycled in or out (Covid), we probably see a new norm. One where athletes might stick around college for the full 5 years, instead of declaring after just 2 or 3. As far as the NFL goes, we may begin to see players that are "NFL ready" a lot quicker, given their college experience, as well as maturity.


 

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I still think Gute (& other GM's) will place a premium grade on younger players. A 23 or 24 yr old rookie is a poor investment, as 2nd contract comes when a player is pushing 28 yrs old. Kenny Clark is 28 and looking for his 3rd contract...he's an amazing investment. Just don't know how soon the injury bug bites him?
 
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I still think Gute (& other GM's) will place a premium grade on younger players. A 23 or 24 yr old rookie is a poor investment, as 2nd contract comes when a player is pushing 28 yrs old. Kenny Clark is 28 and looking for his 3rd contract...he's an amazing investment. Just don't know how soon the injury bug bites him?
Yes and no. I think there are cases where guys declared too quickly and would have been better off being a star on a college team VS riding the bench for a few years in the NFL. Then you take a player like Kenny Clark, whom you correctly point out has been pretty damn good since being drafted at the age of 20.

Basically, I think its all individual dependent and possibly position dependent as well. For instance, I would rather spend a 1st round pick on a QB, that I plan on starting as a rookie, that has 3-4 seasons of being a starting college QB under his belt. Now a 20 year old guy like Braelon Allen (RB at Wisconsin), who started college at the age of 17, has 3 years of being the featured back at Wisconsin, has nothing more to prove and everything to gain in the NFL. Playing 1 more year at Wisconsin might have improved his draft stock a bit, but it also might have resulted in an injury that blew up his professional aspirations.

The final variable, maturity. Some of these guys just aren't mature enough to start a professional life, with a ton of money in their pockets. Of course, we see that with 30 year old players too.
 
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So now NIL money is competing with rookie salaries!

"It’s wild to consider that a college can outbid the NBA for a player, but that’s exactly what could happen here. Players on two-way deals in the NBA earned $559K last season, which is half of the league’s minimum rookie contract."

 

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So now NIL money is competing with rookie salaries!

"It’s wild to consider that a college can outbid the NBA for a player, but that’s exactly what could happen here. Players on two-way deals in the NBA earned $559K last season, which is half of the league’s minimum rookie contract."

So the universities are paying the NIL money to the player? I guess I thought it would come from sponsors - Nike, Adidas, UA, etc. I don't get how this works.

But if someone offered me $1 mil to play a college schedule (40 games give or take?) or $560k to play an NBA schedule (82 games and playoffs), well there's no decision to be made.
 
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So the universities are paying the NIL money to the player? I guess I thought it would come from sponsors - Nike, Adidas, UA, etc. I don't get how this works.
No, the money isn't coming directly from the University. It is paid directly to the athlete from an outside source. Of course, athletes can make more money based off of the reputation and financial backers of a University.

 

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No, the money isn't coming directly from the University. It is paid directly to the athlete from an outside source. Of course, athletes can make more money based off of the reputation and financial backers of a University.

Thanks Poker. I think I already asked this and you answered. Thanks again.

It is interesting that a player would possibly be better off staying in college and collecting NIL. Mixed feelings about that. NFL players are starting the game at a very young age (20 years old). These guys are at a different level athletically than 99.9% of the population. It just seems young to be playing in the NFL with such incredibly strong and fast athletes. Then again, if they're coming from the SEC, Big 10, PAC 12, ACC - they're used to some of the physical stress of football.
 
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Maybe I could get a Mod @longtimefan @Poppa San to add to the title of this thread to include "NIL Money"?

Something like: "Transfer portal and NIL Money, how they have changed college sports".

Thank you

Speaking of NIL. Here are the top 25 earners for 2024, so far (link below).

#14: Bryce James -- $1.2 Million Bryce is non-other than LeBron's kid....still in high school. :eek:

#1. Bronny James (USC): $4.9 Million Guess who's Brother and son?

 

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Maybe I could get a Mod @longtimefan @Poppa San to add to the title of this thread to include "NIL Money"?

Something like: "Transfer portal and NIL Money, how they have changed college sports".

Thank you

Speaking of NIL. Here are the top 25 earners for 2024, so far (link below).

#14: Bryce James -- $1.2 Million Bryce is non-other than LeBron's kid....still in high school. :eek:

#1. Bronny James (USC): $4.9 Million Guess who's Brother and son?

Livvy Dunn just inked a $3.7mil deal this week, so she possibly vaults (pun intended) to #1 with $7.3mil
 
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Livvy Dunn just inked a $3.7mil deal this week, so she possibly vaults (pun intended) to #1 with $7.3mil
She's #3 on that list I posted, but yeah her new deal would....flip her over the top....if others haven't added to their own....beaming...piles of uneven bars of cash.

NIL money has exploded all over, so it's hard to keep track of. I read that Dunn was on trajectory to possibly make the Olympic team, but chose LSU and NIL money over it. Guess I can't blame her.
 

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Maybe I could get a Mod @longtimefan @Poppa San to add to the title of this thread to include "NIL Money"?

Something like: "Transfer portal and NIL Money, how they have changed college sports".

Thank you

Speaking of NIL. Here are the top 25 earners for 2024, so far (link below).

#14: Bryce James -- $1.2 Million Bryce is non-other than LeBron's kid....still in high school. :eek:

#1. Bronny James (USC): $4.9 Million Guess who's Brother and son?

Done
 

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Maybe I could get a Mod @longtimefan @Poppa San to add to the title of this thread to include "NIL Money"?

Something like: "Transfer portal and NIL Money, how they have changed college sports".

Thank you

Speaking of NIL. Here are the top 25 earners for 2024, so far (link below).

#14: Bryce James -- $1.2 Million Bryce is non-other than LeBron's kid....still in high school. :eek:

#1. Bronny James (USC): $4.9 Million Guess who's Brother and son?

And neither of these guys are particularly great BB players, right? Well, at least not from what I've seen. Just proves it takes money, in this case Dad's, to make money.
 
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And neither of these guys are particularly great BB players, right? Well, at least not from what I've seen. Just proves it takes money, in this case Dad's, to make money.
Yeah, just the limited info I could find/wanted to invest time in, big kids, but their basketball skills to date, aren't even close to their Fathers. They are both riding on their Dad's coattails with the NIL money for sure.

There is talk of Bronny playing in the NBA and I don't doubt someone, probably the Lakers, will give him a shot, just to sell tickets. LeBron's dream is to play in an NBA game with his son. Maybe if Bronny declares for the draft next year, the Bucks should nab him if they can, then trade him to the desperate to have him Lakers, for a couple of 1st rounders! :roflmao:
 

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All I have to say at this point, about NIL, is that exactly what I said what happened, has happened, and it's going to split college football up considerably. There's no way that a college program without huge amounts of NIL sponsors will ever be a part of the inner circle of teams that will line up for a shot at winning major conference championships in sports, or even national championships.

We've reached the point where the teams with the most NIL money behind their program, and recognition of school, will be the winners. Everyone else? Sorry boys and girls! You don't get the players that can make you great.
 

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All I have to say at this point, about NIL, is that exactly what I said what happened, has happened, and it's going to split college football up considerably. There's no way that a college program without huge amounts of NIL sponsors will ever be a part of the inner circle of teams that will line up for a shot at winning major conference championships in sports, or even national championships.

We've reached the point where the teams with the most NIL money behind their program, and recognition of school, will be the winners. Everyone else? Sorry boys and girls! You don't get the players that can make you great.
Yup, the non power conferences will be like the minor leagues are in baseball. Prove yourself and you can make to the big show.
 
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All I have to say at this point, about NIL, is that exactly what I said what happened, has happened, and it's going to split college football up considerably. There's no way that a college program without huge amounts of NIL sponsors will ever be a part of the inner circle of teams that will line up for a shot at winning major conference championships in sports, or even national championships.

We've reached the point where the teams with the most NIL money behind their program, and recognition of school, will be the winners. Everyone else? Sorry boys and girls! You don't get the players that can make you great.
Yup and you couple that with the Transfer Portal and you have unlimited movement. Each feeds the other. "Oh our team needs an immediate ready to start, high end QB next season? Let's find the guy and the money to get him here."

A key part of the NCAA's interim name, image and likeness (NIL) policy is that under no circumstances can money be used as an “inducement” for an athlete to pick a school. The problem is, it's what is happening, with very few instances of enforcement.

A collective is a company, usually established by wealthy alumni at schools, that collects financial resources and directs them to athletes for the right to use their name, image, and likeness. Collectives help facilitate NIL deals for athletes, but are not supposed to be operated by Universities or their athletic departments. Yeah, like THAT isn't happening. :rolleyes:
 
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Yup and you couple that with the Transfer Portal and you have unlimited movement. Each feeds the other. "Oh our team needs an immediate ready to start, high end QB next season? Let's find the guy and the money to get him here."

A key part of the NCAA's interim name, image and likeness (NIL) policy is that under no circumstances can money be used as an “inducement” for an athlete to pick a school. The problem is, it's what is happening, with very few instances of enforcement.

A collective is a company, usually established by wealthy alumni at schools, that collects financial resources and directs them to athletes for the right to use their name, image, and likeness. Collectives help facilitate NIL deals for athletes, but are not supposed to be operated by Universities or their athletic departments. Yeah, like THAT isn't happening. :rolleyes:
The whole bit with A.J. Storr leaving Wisconsin, to play basketball at Kansas pretty well dispels any notion that money isn't related directly to joining a specific team. When the NIL people from Kansas were offering $750K, Storr's agent said he wanted $1 mill! He was selling him to highest bidder, plain and simple. Kansas supporters came back and said that $750K was their final offer. He accepted it. Not once did they even indicate that money wasn't the entire issue. I'm quite certain he would have stayed at Wisconsin had he been offered the $1 mill.

It's what it is, and once the genie is out of the bottle, it ain't going back in. It's claustrophobic.
 

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The whole bit with A.J. Storr leaving Wisconsin, to play basketball at Kansas pretty well dispels any notion that money isn't related directly to joining a specific team. When the NIL people from Kansas were offering $750K, Storr's agent said he wanted $1 mill! He was selling him to highest bidder, plain and simple. Kansas supporters came back and said that $750K was their final offer. He accepted it. Not once did they even indicate that money wasn't the entire issue. I'm quite certain he would have stayed at Wisconsin had he been offered the $1 mill.

It's what it is, and once the genie is out of the bottle, it ain't going back in. It's claustrophobic.
A lot of good comments here on NIL, and I agree with them.

There was already a pretty small group of schools in D1 football who were in the mix every year - Alabama, Georgia, LSU, OSU, now Michigan looks like it's joined. And NIL will only reinforce this exclusive club. Yeah there's gonna be a 12-team playoff, but really, so what? It will still come down to the usual suspects.

College BB will be more affected by NIL, as V's story of Storr illustrates.

I really don't mind the idea of NIL. There is money to be made from fame and it should go to the player and the school. But this bidding process is just...... it's just sick. And that will ruin a truly great experience - March Madness. It's gonna be the same schools every year. Now it may take a few years to shake out, but it will happen.

There has to be a better way to get these players the money they deserve without leaving it up to the wealth of the donors. Damned if I can think of one.
 
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Not sure if this is a sign of full transparency or just the NCAA saying "OK, you got us, the middleman thing isn't always necessary, there are times when we will cut him out altogether and just let the schools set up the deals themselves."

Over a dozen teams will be playing in a "preseason NIL tournament event" with each participating team getting paid "a cool one-million dollars for their appearance…at minimum."

"Winners get even more of that sweet Uncle Sugar to pass around to the boys."

"The workaround here is all players will be paid after completing away-from-the-games endeavors while in Las Vegas."We will be very good about making sure this is fully compliant," a source told CBS Sports."

 

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Not sure if this is a sign of full transparency or just the NCAA saying "OK, you got us, the middleman thing isn't always necessary, there are times when we will cut him out altogether and just let the schools set up the deals themselves."

Over a dozen teams will be playing in a "preseason NIL tournament event" with each participating team getting paid "a cool one-million dollars for their appearance…at minimum."

"Winners get even more of that sweet Uncle Sugar to pass around to the boys."

"The workaround here is all players will be paid after completing away-from-the-games endeavors while in Las Vegas."We will be very good about making sure this is fully compliant," a source told CBS Sports."

This was inevitable. Who makes the decisions on which teams get to attend, because no school would say no? And considering the audience this would probably drive, $1 mil seems like chump change.
 

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